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Brexit: will you eat bad meat or vegetarian?

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Alexa Tue 02-Mar-21 19:25:13

We are going to lose our outright ban on poor welfare and poor food hygiene.
If you are rich you can chose to buy good food as before, but if you are poor you either eat good meat very infrequently as a treat , or eat poor quality meat, or eat vegetarian.

lemongrove Tue 02-Mar-21 19:34:40

Where did you get that rather ‘out there’ news from Alexa?
Not that it would hurt for us all to eat less meat anyway.

Blossoming Tue 02-Mar-21 19:36:01

I’ve never eaten bad meat or a bad vegetarian.

Jaxjacky Tue 02-Mar-21 20:02:10

Where is this information please?

Elegran Tue 02-Mar-21 20:33:58

We lose the EU regulations on animal welfare and food handling, and in their place will be new ones. The Op has possibly been reading about the proposed trade agreement with the US, which could impose US food standards on exports to us (and from us to them)

michelleblane Tue 02-Mar-21 20:52:52

Firstly I suggest you eat British meat which follows strict animal welfare guidlines. Secondly, within the EU there are countries which follow farming practises that would not be acceptable in the UK for example keeping sows in birthing crates and a very high percentage of eggs coming from birds kept in ('enriched') cages, i.e. never allowed to roam. If the OP is referring to chlorinated chicken from USA, I agree, I wouldn't want to eat it. I just wish to point out that EU regulations on food are not superior to those in UK

Mollygo Tue 02-Mar-21 21:01:32

I’ll eat good meat-and I’ll wait till I have all the facts before I decide what is good meat and what isn’t. I am concerned about what I’ve heard about interaction with the US, but we already import food from there as well as from China.
Until Brexit, we followed EU rules. If they were good, is there a suggestion that we will abandon existing good practice just because we are not in the EU? Are we incapable of making good decisions about this ourselves?

vegansrock Tue 02-Mar-21 21:08:48

90% of meat eaten in U.k. is from factory farms anyway, this idea that we have high standards would be out of the window if you saw inside an abattoir.

Urmstongran Tue 02-Mar-21 21:10:06

Hahaha!
What rubbish.
😂
We’ve just bought today a pack of British lamb’s liver for tomorrow from Sainsbury’s.

I couldn’t believe the price....
98 pence ‼️
Seriously.
Enough to casserole for the two of us with onions & bacon.

NanKate Tue 02-Mar-21 21:18:18

Slightly off piste. If we hadn’t left the EU we would be still waiting for our vaccinations. My sister lives in Italy and she says the roll out has been desperately slow.

maddyone Tue 02-Mar-21 21:25:58

The EU is neither everything that’s good nor everything that’s bad. But American food standards are poor in comparison to British. There’s the answer, buy British.

Flowershop Tue 02-Mar-21 21:26:15

More Brexit bullshit.

Urmstongran Tue 02-Mar-21 22:24:24

In the news last week, Polish meat (EU standards anybody?) caused a scandal.

Made me smile how easy it trades one way .... and not t’other?

MerylStreep Tue 02-Mar-21 22:40:41

So what are eu residents going to eat when Brussels finally does a trade deal with the US.
Not that it's going to happen for a long time if their track record is anything to go by.

growstuff Tue 02-Mar-21 22:45:55

maddyone

The EU is neither everything that’s good nor everything that’s bad. But American food standards are poor in comparison to British. There’s the answer, buy British.

How do you know the origin of meat in restaurants or prepared pies, etc?

growstuff Tue 02-Mar-21 22:48:38

NanKate

Slightly off piste. If we hadn’t left the EU we would be still waiting for our vaccinations. My sister lives in Italy and she says the roll out has been desperately slow.

Not necessarily. The UK would have had a say in the EU's decisions on vaccines.

Callistemon Tue 02-Mar-21 22:49:49

Blossoming

I’ve never eaten bad meat or a bad vegetarian.

I ate some rather sad looking carrots yesterday, waste not, want not. But they were sad and wrinkly rather than bad.

I agree with your posts michelleblane, M0nica and others.

Animal welfare is not an EU priority as was recently demonstrated when we heard about the 200 mink farms in Denmark, some of which had Covid.
And the EU voted against improving animal welfare not long ago:
www.greenpeace.org/eu-unit/issues/nature-food/1923/factory-farms-divide-eu-parliament

Hetty58 Tue 02-Mar-21 23:13:00

I'm not eating bad meat - or vegetarian. I've never felt better since going vegan. I don't fret about the cruelty my poor beans and vegetables endure, either!

vegansrock Wed 03-Mar-21 01:55:09

Animal welfare is terrible everywhere. Stop pretending it’s marvellous here. Where making profit is concerned it’s way down the list.

vegansrock Wed 03-Mar-21 06:02:26

Over 80% of British population do NOT want - hormone fed meat, chlorine washed chicken, antibiotics regularly fed to cattle, any EU banned pesticides to be used on crops. Please do not support any lowering of our standards in order to trade with the USA.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Mar-21 07:30:43

I buy my meat from an organic farmer. The animals are grass fed and free range. Their lives are longer as they take longer to mature. When they are killed they are taken by the farmer to a local abattoir that is close by very early in the morning -they are always the first to be killed, which is done with humanity and stress free.

The resultant meat is incomparable. Absolutely delicious and tender.

But you pay for this care of the animal and rightly so if you are going to exploit them. If necessary I would eat meat only once a week or month even if it meant that I couldn’t afford the very high welfare kind.

I eat meat only every third day. I’m vegetarian one day, Pescatarian on second day.

I buy my fish from a local fisherman, and I buy a box of fish every month. What the fish are is entirely dependent on what he has been able to catch - or of indeed he’s been able to fish because of the weather. He delivered my fish for this month yesterday and the selection was brilliant! He turns up in his yellow jacket and wellingtons😄.

My vegetables I buy from various sources, including oddbox and a local organic supplier.

Today is a meat day - spag Bol 😄

vegansrock Wed 03-Mar-21 07:49:19

whitewavemark2 your shopping habits are to be commended but the fact is that 90% of meat consumed in the U.K. is factory farmed. These animals live short miserable lives and are herded and squashed into transporters and taken to slaughterhouses which are now fewer and bigger, where their dispatch is rarely stress free or swift. If you buy any processed products, pies, pasties, sausages, cured meats, the meat products used will be from industrial farms not grass fed cattle who are kept with their young. The same goes for anything which contains eggs or dairy , you know their production has involved cruelty.

Calendargirl Wed 03-Mar-21 07:54:58

vegansrock

90% of meat eaten in U.k. is from factory farms anyway, this idea that we have high standards would be out of the window if you saw inside an abattoir.

I’ve never been inside an abattoir, have you?

What is it like?

Witzend Wed 03-Mar-21 07:58:31

I never buy any non U.K. meat anyway. We don’t eat that much any more but it’s got to be higher welfare and British.

I’m sceptical about EU animal welfare anyway - don’t anyone tell me that the colossal amounts of Danish bacon we import are produced in non-factory farmed conditions. Ditto the relatively cheap Dutch and German pork/gammon I see a lot of in Asda.
Yes, I’m aware that US standards are pretty dreadful and would never buy meat from there.

grandmajet Wed 03-Mar-21 08:02:55

Uk animal welfare standards are higher than those required by the EU, but I agree, meat production is never going to be kind for the animals involved. Humans do not need large quantities of meat for a good diet, or, it could be argued, any meat at all, but if animal welfare is our main concern, the dairy industry and egg production are just as troubling. It is possible to buy these products from genuine free range farms, and farms where calves are kept with the cows for several months while the latter are milked just once a day. This is obviously a more expensive option however, and not available everywhere.
A vegan diet takes a lot of thought and knowledge to provide complete nutrition, but a largely vegetarian diet can be cheap, easy, tasty and nourishing.
Incidentally, on the question of using EU banned pesticides, this refers I think to the use of one in sugar beet production and the ban has been lifted short term both here and in at least 10 EU countries to control a particular problem, I can’t remember what,