Thank you for links, which I know some don't like or can't be bothered to read, but I find them informative and useful jen, and circulate them as widely as possible. The "public matters" website information was particularly concerning, and the fact that we are sleep walking towards wholesale privatisation of NHS is so depressing AND PEOPLE DONT REALISE IT. It's very often only when you or those close to you use the NHS that you can see first hand what is happening. I have seen some posts on here from those who can't see a problem, but all I can say is they're not looking hard enough.