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ESP, Ghosts or What? Need a Rational Explanation

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willa45 Sat 08-Sep-18 16:46:20

2018 has not exactly been a good year for us. The worst of it was when my husband of 51 plus years was in such poor health that I almost lost him. Between January and May of this year, we spent many sleepless nights downstairs in our sitting room; the only place where he could sleep comfortably. but that's not the story.

It was during one of those dark, fitful nights, that we both managed to doze off for more than twenty minutes which was unusual. It was sometime in April around five in the morning and it was still dark outside.

Suddenly, I was 'awakened' by voices upstairs.... as if several people were having a conversation. In my exhausted stupor however, their presence didn't phase me in the least.......the whole thing felt completely normal, almost comforting. This lasted for awhile, as I kept hearing them again and again and waking up each time. I didn't even know these people, yet they were all upstairs talking and they neither surprised nor scared me. At one point they were in our living room which is located in the front of our house. I could hear footsteps and furniture creaking as they moved about. Eventually, I fell into a dreamless sleep.

Daylight came and the sun came up. Hubby was sleeping peacefully, which didn't happen often. I got up to make coffee and that woke him up. The first thing he said to me... "Was I dreaming or was someone here last night? There were all these people talking and they wouldn't let me sleep!"

I haven't shared this with anyone, except our three adult children. My oldest daughter's eyes filled when I told her. She was very close to my mum and her theory is that loving family spirits from both sides came to visit and to conduct some kind of intervention on H's behalf.

In May, H received a new heart valve and made a miraculous recovery. He is now doing splendidly, even exercising three times a week. H and I have talked about our experience and compared notes. His 'dream' was almost identical to mine and it happened the same morning and at the same time. We still have no rational explanation for it.

Katek Mon 10-Sep-18 10:02:03

This isn’t strictly spiritual, but my own experiences suggest to me that there definitely is some inexplicable emotional/psychic link to those we love. As an RAF pilot my father was often away for weeks on end night flying from Cyprus and other stations. I always knew when he was coming home. There was no word beforehand, no subtle change in my mother’s behaviour that I might have picked up on as she didn’t know when he was coming home either. He would simply appear. I still occasionally have a vague sense of ‘knowing’ that something unpleasant is happening to one of my dc/
Dgc. Odd to say the least.

Sheilasue Mon 10-Sep-18 09:40:40

There is no explanation I have had visits from my son feel him with me and I;talk to him, sad thing is though I often hear him crying especially when I have had problems with my gd his daughter. That tears me apart at times.

ReadyMeals Mon 10-Sep-18 09:20:59

Having had a few possibly supernatural experiences myself I am perfectly willing to take your account at face value. I think I would - as I expect you did - go through a few other possibilities such as is it at all possible there were actual living people in your house that night - family who you'd invited and forgotten about but who didn't want to disturb you once they noticed you'd gone to bed? Some quirk of accoustics that made a group of people outside or next door sound like they were coming from parts of your house?

peaches50 Mon 10-Sep-18 08:52:14

I'm a sceptic, but agree dont touch a ouiji board (childhood experience that still frightens me, when visiting my parents friends who thought it amusing).I dont visit mediums but know as a child my grandfather visited us - I heard his distinctive footsteps on the night he died in another country. His last words were I want to see x (my father) who could not get there in time - and I feel he came to do just that. I have had experiences with my own dead parents that defy any logical explanation. And I do believe that those who have died have 'just stepped into another room - we cannot see or touch them but know they are' from these.

stanlaw Mon 10-Sep-18 08:51:58

When we first started fostering we had a very troubled teenager placed with us before which we had had no children living in our house though we knew it had been a family home some years ago.
One Saturday morning I was sitting in bed wide awake and our foster child was asleep in the next bedroom. On the landing next to our bedroom there was suddenly a happy sound of young children playing and running up and down the landing, laughing. I was so surprised I didn't get up but the sounds then went as suddenly as they had come? This was right next to me and certainly not from outside.

HG15 Mon 10-Sep-18 08:35:29

Since my husband died last year I have seen two different psychics and they have both told me amazing things. I found the readings very comforting. I am very open minded about such things and discuss spirituality with anyone who is interested. We do not and cannot know everything, especially about what happens after death. I have no patience with those who are close minded whether atheists or religious. My mother has psychic powers and is the most down to earth person I know. Since she was 12 she has seen and heard spirits. I don’t have those powers but I do have the belief that I will be reunited with my DH in some way when I die.

Coconut Mon 10-Sep-18 08:09:08

I’ve experienced ESP. Many times someone who I have not seen for many years has come into my mind for no apparent reason, then I have gone out that day and bump into them. It’s also happened that I have suddenly thought of someone and then I have heard that they have actually died that day. This has happened with celebrities that I’ve thought of, then I put the news on and a death is announced. My DD often asked if I’m having a “ witchy” moment !!

willa45 Sun 09-Sep-18 23:46:19

A couple is awakened by a loud crash! They leap out of bed with hearts pounding. She stands on the landing with her iPhone, ready to 'assist' while H boldly rushes down the stairs in his bare feet; brass lamp in hand! This is what someone's reaction might look like when they fear that strangers have broken into their home.

In our case, we felt no sense of alarm and we didn't even react! The voices were most definitely inside our house! They came from upstairs and later from our living room, scarcely a few feet down the hall from us....yet surprisingly we felt no fear and didn't even seem to mind. That is indicative that we were likely sound asleep! The unusual occurrence here is that we both had the same 'dream' at the same time!

Either that or we were drugged by robbers while they ransacked our house; a theory that doesn't fly either because nothing was taken or disturbed. Robbers would have also been very quiet instead of making such a verbal racket.

The human brain possesses unknown capabilities that have yet to be explored. H and I have discussed our mutual experience many times trying to make sense of it and as inexplicable as it may be, ESP does come to mind!

lemongrove Sun 09-Sep-18 20:28:47

ESP is there, I have a few reasons to think so.
In the case of the OP, and the voices heard, I don't know, neighbours, a radio or real voices [or not] a bit of a mystery.

Diana54 Sun 09-Sep-18 20:20:07

ESP does exist but impossible to explain rationally and the future as told by a genuine Fortune Teller can be chilling.

Many years ago a good friend of mine did venture in for a laugh we were 19 at the time. She was a white as a sheet afterwards, nobody was told the whole prediction but details of her life, not generic stuff but hard facts that could not possibly have been guessed.
The future was a very tragic prediction and as the years passed, she lost her husband young and all sorts of illness and misfortune has happened to her and her family.

I wouldn't have wanted to know in advance and have always given fortune tellers a wide berth.

boheminan Sun 09-Sep-18 19:07:23

willa45 - a couple of years ago I was unhappily on my own and sleep didn't come easy. One night I lay half awake, listening to voices coming from the empty bedroom next door. I felt comforted and safe in the idea of having people around and drifted into a deep sleep. The next night whilst in bed reading, it dawned on me that the talking I'd heard the previous night was in fact the wind coming down the chimney and gently rattling the windows. It doesn't matter what caused it as from then on sleeping became easier.

Floradora9 Sun 09-Sep-18 19:02:43

Some years ago when our DC were teenagers we had a loveley neighbour , Mr. R , who was active in our church so knew our DC well . He became unwell and moved away and a few years later died . One night I had kept wakening up to a recurent thought which was that I really wish we had got something to remember Mr. R by .
We went out shopping the next day leaving DD behind and when we came in there was a box of odds and ends lying in the hall . A church friend had handed them in while we were away for the DC to choose something , they were from Mr.R's house . I spoke to the lady who had handed them in and she told me she had been hanging on to the box for weeks and had decided it was time to do something about it . This was quite a while after he had died too , it still gives me goosebumps to think about it .

willa45 Sun 09-Sep-18 19:01:18

I only freaked out when H described his experience and more so when we compared notes....that he heard (male and female) voices, that they sat in the living room etc. Even if we had been in our own bed and making physical contact (i.e. touching hands or back to back), we had been sleeping in separate chairs and were about eight feet away from each other. So, how do you get two people to share the same exact dream? How does that even work?

The only logical explanation is that something real must have happened because we both heard it....but that opens up even more questions, because knowing that there were several people inside our house, we didn't react with alarm, curiosity, or concern. I should add that everything in the house was just as it was before.....nothing was ever touched or missing!

NanKate Sun 09-Sep-18 18:30:24

I believe you Annie.

Jane10 Sun 09-Sep-18 18:16:09

Don't worry DanniRae! I really wasn't bothered.

DanniRae Sun 09-Sep-18 17:34:16

harrigran - I was shocked at your reply to Jane10...........I don't think it is necessary to be disrespectful to people just because they don't agree with you.

harrigran Sun 09-Sep-18 17:06:25

Jane 10 whatever...

Anniebach Sun 09-Sep-18 17:06:20

Greenfinch, I felt peaceful, the constant gnawing ache went for a while.

Greenfinch Sun 09-Sep-18 15:49:51

Anniebach thank you for sharing your experience. Did you feel frightened or comforted by what happened ?

Jane10 Sun 09-Sep-18 15:39:40

Thank you Farmnanjulie. That was very nicely put. sunshine

Farmnanjulie Sun 09-Sep-18 15:17:44

I am a third generation medium, what you are hearing are are spirits,at night spirits find it easier to communicate,not for a creepy reason, that's just films!
It's because they are a energy and appliances ,lighting , general daytime use of these items,are draining,most of them are not used at night as it's easier for them, groups talking is aiding and assisting, it will be family linked and is a discussion of what to do ,and to help,you often get this in houses if you are a visitor to it,it's a gathering of curious spirits being nosy!

Don't be afraid ,in 30 plus years of this ,and my mother's ,and grandmothers lives as a medium ,bad stuff is very,very rare and only of you're not careful,
Never ,ever be tempted to do a Ouija board, it's not something to dabble in !it's like opening your front door to see who wanders in!
Spirits come with love and caring,and only really when you need it

And only in a way thats comforting for you,they love you they don't want to scare you!
If your needing to know they are there ,ask! Say it out loud,ask if you need help,it will come.

Life does go on ,as does love,I have seen spirits many times ,and they have been trying to help, they don't hang around watching you!! It's like phoning a friend ,you want to have a chat or some advice,or connect with someone you miss.
Think of it like that,
And blessed be to all.

Jane10 Sun 09-Sep-18 14:27:37

Oh Harrigran. There's obviously not going to be anything to convince you. Nor does there have to be. Simply saying that there's an explanation for everything doesn't actually mean that there is!
I'm sorry you're likely to miss out on these other dimensions to life.

harrigran Sun 09-Sep-18 14:09:56

My sister and I dream the same dreams, it is due to shared experiences and a stimulus that jogs the brain like talking on the phone before we go to bed.
Everything has a logical explanation even bumps in the night. No the wonder people are frightened of their own shadows.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 09-Sep-18 13:46:22

I would take comfort from your joint experience. Science has not got all the answers.

The day my darling maternal Grandma died, my Mother and I had identical 'dreams' where Gran came to our beds and spoke to us, neither of us ever dreamed about her again.

Auntieflo Sun 09-Sep-18 13:44:33

And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Harrigran
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Just a borrowed thought