New rules from 4th July just announced,

i still cant hug my grandchildren. nor can they come to my house .unless my daughter says its ok.

Not sure how I feel about any of this.

He will do it again at 430pm as well in more detail, but all it needs is the death rate to go up drastically and the 2m ruling plus further sanctions will be put in place it could go into 2021 if things start to up in deaths again .
Mick

Distancing guidelines
From 4 July the 2m distancing rule will be changed.

The prime minister said that where it is not possible to stay 2m apart, people should keep a distance of "one metre plus" - this means staying one metre apart, while observing precautions to reduce the risk of transmission.

Hospitality
Restaurants and pubs will also be allowed to reopen from 4 July, providing they follow safety guidelines.

All hospitality indoors will be limited to table service, and contact between staff and customers will be limited.

Customers will also have to give contact details when they enter a pub or restaurant.

Holiday accommodation - including hotels, B&Bs, cottages, campsites and caravan parks - can also reopen, and people in England will be free to stay away from home overnight for the first time since lockdown began in March.

Meeting other households
Two households of any size will be able to meet indoors or outside.

This does not have to be the same set of households - but the government does not not recommend meetings of multiple households indoors because of the risk of infection.

Outdoors, people from multiple households can meet in groups of up to six - but two households can meet regardless of size.

What else will reopen?
More outdoor spaces will open if they can do so safely, including outdoor gyms and children's playgrounds
Hairdressers will be able to reopen, as long as they take precautions. Other close-contact services such as nail bars will not yet open, but the prime minister said they would be able to open "as soon as we're confident they can operate safely"
Libraries, community centres, bingo halls, cinemas, museums and galleries will be able to open, along with funfairs and theme parks, amusement arcades, outdoor skating rinks, indoor leisure centres, social clubs and model villages
Places of worship will be able to open for prayers and services, and weddings with up to 30 guests
Theatres and concert halls will be able to open, but with no live performances
What will remain closed?
Nightclubs and casinos remain closed, along with bowling alleys, spas, swimming pools and indoor soft play centres

Thanks Mick for the update.

No changes for me. I'm comfortable with what I'm doing now.

No shopping centres, pubs, restaurants, cinema's.

[sigh] will he change his mind again by 4.30 PM?

I am reminded of a letter sent out by a Head Teacher informing parents of the new rules re return to school. The letter had to be changed many times as new, amended documents of government guidance, each about 50 pages long, came in one after another.

Yet still schools remain closed until September for the majority of children

I am really struggling to see the logic.

All pretty confusing eg weddings and places of worship as long as you don't sing. Pubs but have to sign in and staff must hold glasses by base?

Think we will still go very slowly on all this

I’m a bit cross because I had been led to believe that Beauty salons could open. He didn’t actually mention us but I think we are probably now classed as Nail Bars.

I have spent the last few weeks wondering why we were being told this, as we are very close contact, we can’t possibly comply with the 2 or even 1 metre rule. However not only I was getting this message loud and clear but all my clients have been ringing to book.
Now I’ve started ringing them to cancel. Quite a few of them seem to think it’s my choice.
Grrrr.

We have to start somewhere.

PamelaJ1

I’m a bit cross because I had been led to believe that Beauty salons could open. He didn’t actually mention us but I think we are probably now classed as Nail Bars.

I have spent the last few weeks wondering why we were being told this, as we are very close contact, we can’t possibly comply with the 2 or even 1 metre rule. However not only I was getting this message loud and clear but all my clients have been ringing to book.
Now I’ve started ringing them to cancel. Quite a few of them seem to think it’s my choice.
Grrrr.

I have a nail appointment made for early July which as of yet has not been cancelled.

(Secretly happy about gyms....must lose lockdown lard)

Nails? Pubs?
How about prioritising the nation’s millions of children? Almost all have been out of school for over 3 months. Their parents can’t work while the children are home, household debts and domestic abuse have soared, very many children have received no education at all and are isolated and unhappy.
If a fortnight’s holiday in term time was so harmful that parents were heavily fined, whatever effect is this having on millions of our most important citizens, those aged 4 to 18?

Well I'm on dire straits with my hair. Not as shallow as it sounds. I have alopecia (no hair) and haven't been able to visit my clinic/salon to have my hair system re-fixed since early March and I am in a mess. I have been pretty fed up since the start of all this with everyone grumbling about their hair. Oh to have hair to grumble about! Although I am rather desperate, I won't go until absolutely necessary. My life is more important than my hair.

Watermelon- of course the children are more important. I do think we know that.
We are just very shallow.

What is the point of letting theatres and concert halls open if there can`t be any live performances? It rather defeats the object.

Just booked a holiday as soon as news came on we could go away, really looking forward to it.

PamelaJ1

So glad I’m in Scotland.

It won’t be long before Scotland follows suit Espee, some sort of normality has to be restored at some point, and the economy ( people’s livelihoods too) depend on it.

I still wouldn't feel safe mixing with others. OK, social distancing reduces our risk of becoming infected (along with hand washing etc.) but there is still a risk.

Of course, the changes are due to immense pressure from business interests, an attempt to save the economy from further damage. We don't all have to rush out and socialise, though. The situation in Germany serves as a warning.

It’s not a diktat to go out to a cafe or mix with others if you feel safer carrying in doing what you’re doing, then carry on.
For retired people who don’t need to worry about their job, and who feel vulnerable to the virus because of age/ health conditions then it’s best to go forward very cautiously.

Exactly retired people like ourselves can carry on as before. We are lucky to have a choice.

Callistemon

[sigh] will he change his mind again by 4.30 PM?

I am reminded of a letter sent out by a Head Teacher informing parents of the new rules re return to school. The letter had to be changed many times as new, amended documents of government guidance, each about 50 pages long, came in one after another.

Yes my daughter was telling me about this but not all the information in the documents was new - some was and some wasn’t - which meant she had to read it very carefully each day the new one was issued to try to glean what had or hadn’t changed. And as you say it was lengthy.

I just hope the support services that communities have put in place do not all disappear on 4 July. Many of us will still be mainly staying at home for some time yet.