How much should the Uk pay for, for people from the rest of the world

I don’t understand the context. Are you talking about exporting goods or services to other countries? Surely it is the recipients that pay.

I think maybe paying them back for the damage the "UK" caused financial and physical and in many other ways to multiple countries is essential
Just one that should be given whatever it needs is India....£45 TRILLION looted from them that might ...would have made their move into a modern world easier if they had kept their own assets.The jewels used in the coronation for instance could have fed a lot of hungry folk.
We keep hearing these "things" are safer in british hands.......lol.
That includes Scotlands oil and renewables nowadays .
I and many millions disagree.IF england wants "things" it needs to pay for them if not when they were stolen then now retrosectively.
Immigrants ...pay for their keep by working so the question on the other thread was irrelevant

The original context was bringing family in, if studying in the UK.

I am talking in general.
I see it in a roundabout way across many threads.

People come in from the rest of the world.
Naturally use some of the Uk services. Health, police, etc etc.
How much are they entitled to?
How much should they expect?

Does it all work in the same way vice versa when we go somewhere else? And should it?

We are a wealthy country relative to rest of world.
Should wealthier countries support smaller ones.
Should we then expect to get supported by the 7 or whoever many countries who are wealthier than we are?

I wanted to understand peoples' mindsets.

There is a healthcare surcharge when you apply for a visa to enter the UK, I think it is about £650 a year.

The students pay fees to come here and study.

It isn’t just England that holds ‘colonial’ treasures PaddyAnn. Several Scottish and Welsh mansions contain looted treasures and articles linked to slavery and the triangular trade. I think people don’t know the half of it.

If they are accepted into this country and not illegal immigrants then they should be entitled to healthcare and education just as anyone here does.That doesn’t mean we can take in anybody who just fancies living here tho.This government and past governments have just let things slide around immigration. It’s not controlled anymore at all.

I'm not sure that returning looted treasures, though morally right, would make any difference at all to a country's economy as they would just go into museums.

Paddyanne54 I read your comment as an anti English rant and you are wrong anyway about thinking Indian jewels of great value would ever have been sold and the money used to feed hungry folk there.India never cared about it’s own poor or hungry people.The Indian jewels would have ended up in a Maharaja’s turban instead of a British crown.

I would be interested to know what other countries like France, Germany, US and Australia do to compare.

paddyann54

I think maybe paying them back for the damage the "UK" caused financial and physical and in many other ways to multiple countries is essential
Just one that should be given whatever it needs is India....£45 TRILLION looted from them that might ...would have made their move into a modern world easier if they had kept their own assets.The jewels used in the coronation for instance could have fed a lot of hungry folk.
We keep hearing these "things" are safer in british hands.......lol.
That includes Scotlands oil and renewables nowadays .
I and many millions disagree.IF england wants "things" it needs to pay for them if not when they were stolen then now retrosectively.
Immigrants ...pay for their keep by working so the question on the other thread was irrelevant

PaddyAnn England being the name of a place, qualifies as a proper noun, even when you really, really hate the place, I think you will find just like Scotland it still needs a capital letter

Maybe you could also work out how much Spain and Portugal owe from when they plundered most of Latin America, as you seem to be so well up on wrong doings of past goings on.....oh and France umpteen colonies, not forgetting The Netherlands and while you at it, as Blossoming above mentioned, Scotland's role in wrong doings, could you work out your own country's share of plundered loot, and do make it pro rata to population. One last question, do you think we here in england England could get any discounts on what we owe from when we were being very, very bad even though most people alive in those times had no say whatsoever as to what their government were dong oh anyway never mind that, minor details, but do you think that maybe we could get some sort of rebate on the basis that quite a few people were enslaved by Barbary Pirates when they raided the coasts around the West Country, how much d'ya reckon we would be owed for those transgressions. Anyway leave it with you and your trusty McCalculator.

If people are working here they are paying taxes and shoud have the same rights as other tax payers. They should also be paid the same rate for the job and not paid less.

On the broader subject, less than 90 years ago Germany caused total havoc in Europe, invaded nad occupied countries from Hungary to Norway, destroyed homes, systematically killed 6 million Jews and other people they considered 'undesirables. Similar but less extensive damage was caused in Asia by wars that those two countries instigated.

Yet we are not seeking reveng on those countries, we are not demanding that they pay immmnese reparations, we do not blame the current German and Japanese population for the behaviour of their grandparents.

Yet some people are expecting Britain (why not Spain, Belgium, France, etc etc?) to apologise for things done, not by our grandparents but our 6 x great grandparents and pay reparations.

Why?

MaizieD

I'm not sure that returning looted treasures, though morally right, would make any difference at all to a country's economy as they would just go into museums.

Agreed.

Perhaps their museums would be nicer for them?

I’m just back from Crete where the Battle of Crete in 1941 was as always commemorated. Few veterans are still arrive, but relatives from Crete, New Zealand, Australia and the UK join the services, often wearing the medals their relatives were awarded. In recent years, young German paratroopers attend and lay wreaths.
The Nazis murdered every male over the age of 8 in many villages. They burned villages to the ground and their treatment of women and girls was horrific. No compensation has been paid by the German state. German tourists raised money for a new water system in one martyred village.

I share MOnica’s question about why reparation is demanded in some but not all cases.

Why indeed M0nica.

I struggle with slavery, a real abomination, the repercussions continue. But - wars, Holocaust, etc all leave lasting legacies. Maybe we all need to be taught our history fairly, discuss, analyse, learn and integrate the learning into the fabric of our society and move on

fancythat

The original context was bringing family in, if studying in the UK.

I am talking in general.
I see it in a roundabout way across many threads.

People come in from the rest of the world.
Naturally use some of the Uk services. Health, police, etc etc.
How much are they entitled to?
How much should they expect?

Does it all work in the same way vice versa when we go somewhere else? And should it?

We are a wealthy country relative to rest of world.
Should wealthier countries support smaller ones.
Should we then expect to get supported by the 7 or whoever many countries who are wealthier than we are?

I wanted to understand peoples' mindsets.

During the year we lived in Spain, my daughter had antenatal care, gave birth there (beyond exemplary level of care in maternity) and then had a whole range of tests when she was ill after giving birth. Three hospital admissions. Room for me to stay with her. Etc etc.

Far, far beyond anything the NHS provides.

So yes, in some places it is not just matched, but by far exceeded elsewhere.

I don't think we should expect free medical treatment if we visit or live in another country. Fair enough if you work and pay taxes according to their governmental rules or are resident in the country.
But if you are on holiday or travelling for business then it should be mandatory that you have medical insurance to cover costs should it be needed.
But how would we police it? Maybe you would have to prove it on entry to a country or provide proof at the airport on leaving for your destination. No proof - you can't enter the country or fly or whatever
Reciprocal arrangements only work if they are set in place by the countries concerned and then the quality of care can vary wildly between state and private care.
But where others may have issues with immigrants - be they legal or otherwise - I can understand the frustration of many people who struggle to access certain medical needs which are freely available to all and sundry who cross our borders.
But for education, research and other services where we would expect to pay then we should pay - it is business offering a service and should reasonably be expected to receive remuneration for this provision just as it would be in anywhere in the world.
But reparation is a very thorny and emotive subject - I don't think there is a country in existence that has not begged, borrowed or stolen from others somewhere and sometime in its history.

Blossoming

It isn’t just England that holds ‘colonial’ treasures PaddyAnn. Several Scottish and Welsh mansions contain looted treasures and articles linked to slavery and the triangular trade. I think people don’t know the half of it.

The Scots were keen colonialists!

Oreo

Paddyanne54 I read your comment as an anti English rant and you are wrong anyway about thinking Indian jewels of great value would ever have been sold and the money used to feed hungry folk there.India never cared about it’s own poor or hungry people.The Indian jewels would have ended up in a Maharaja’s turban instead of a British crown.

Yes, the Maharajas were immensely wealthy and people around them were exceptionally poor.

At least Brtain left a legacy of railways, monsoon ditches and other infrastructure such as schools and hospitals, plus laws to stop infanticide, improved women's rights.

And cricket. Don't forget cricket.

It wasn't all wonderful before the British went there and the British legacy wasn't all bad.

Six of the governor-generals and viceroys to rule India were Scottish

Scottish Indians celebrate Scottish culture, with traditional Scottish celebrations like Burns Night widely observed among the community.

The Scots had a huge influence in the East India Company and subsequently hugely influential throughout Inda.

Just to add - foreign students in Australia bring billions into the economy although grants, scholarships and bursaries are available.
Mainly students are self-funding and many work too.

Callistemon, your summary of the British in India, is the one we were given regularly in our travels in India. You didn’t mention roundabouts, much in evidence in Delhi

I am amused when people demand that British people pay reparations to Caribbean countries etc because of the slave trade. They conveniently forget that the original slaves from West Africa were initially captured by other tribes and sold on to the Colonial powers, of which Britain was a part, there were others involved.
At that time, the British working class population was also held in servitude. 5 year old children sent down the mines or worked in cotton and wollen mills under very dangerous conditions. All food had to be bought through the infamous "truck shops" where exorbitant prices were set by the mine/mill owners for food.
Hardship was suffered by all at the bottom of the social ladder, regardless of where they lived.