Amnesty International say - 'no such thing as a ‘biologically female/male body’'

In that case there is no basis for gender based sport!. If any male can self assign female to compete it finishes female sport

They are talking rubbish I’m fully expecting women’s sport to continue

I can accept that a person's genitalia doesn't determine their gender.

But no such thing as male and female bodies??
We are animals, and biology is biology. Do they believe that a dog or cat or a rabbit with male or female genitalia can't be classified as male or female?

Crikey the backtracking and distancing that is going to take place when all this comes out in the wash will be something to behold. You would think they would see the writing on the wall with the Keira bell judgement.

When delivering a baby, what is the midwife going to say? It’s a ...... baby!? I’m confused. I know someone who is trans. It is simply never mentioned, not in a dark or repressed way. They just are who they are. Full stop. Is that not enough. I’ll duck below the parapet.

It’s woke crap, in 20 years time they are going to look so stupid.

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When delivering a baby, what is the midwife going to say? It’s a ...... baby!? I’m confused. I know someone who is trans. It is simply never mentioned, not in a dark or repressed way. They just are who they are. Full stop. Is that not enough. I’ll duck below the parapet.

I think/hope there will come a day in the future when we can all just be who we are, regardless of gender or genitalia. What I find troubling is that people feel the need to undergo invasive and traumatic surgery and hormonal treatment in order to 'fit' with societal norms. Very worrying indeed.

To be fair amnesty have been a beacon of misogyny for some time now, their views on prostitution for example.

I'm afraid we are loosing the 'woke' battle. 2 cases in recent weeks have shown this. Suzanne Moore has been hounded out of the Gaudian ( you have to laugh at that) and a master at Eton has been sacked.

Not only was Suzanne Moore hounded out of The Guardian, but like other dissenters from what has now become an orthodoxy, she and her child/ren received rape threats on line, as do other women who choose to challenge such concepts There's only one school of thought on such subjects and as we know nothing is up for debate anymore

No we are not losing it just is going to be a hard road and many women, brave women will be hounded out. But we have come a long way. No debate is over, the Keira bell case was discussed on newsnight, and that would not have happened even 6 months ago.

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It’s woke crap, in 20 years time they are going to look so stupid.

Well said !

I hope it doesn't take as long as 20 years.

If we carry on down this slippery slope we won’t be able to call ourselves ‘grandmother’ or ‘grandfather’. It’s truly frightening.

So everyone can get prostate cancer and everyone can get endometriosis? That’s a win for science.

Still, at least this report is a small pushback. www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55164675

I have cancelled my Direct Debit to Amnesty. I have been losing patience with them for some time. I stopped my contribution to Stonewall via what little I spend on Amazon a while ago for the same reason.

A person does not need to be defined by their biological body, they can live as they want, be who they want. But surely the fact remains that in general there are two different kinds of biological body.
I’m wondering too, why are sports divided into male and female .

sports are separate due to the different strengths of men and women, which is why ‘we ‘ don’t want transgender men in women’s sports.

But we already do have transgender women (who were once male) in Women’s Football. They do have to be on hormone treatment and have an assessment.

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But we already do have transgender women (who were once male) in Women’s Football. They do have to be on hormone treatment and have an assessment.

Indeed we do have transwomen (who are all still male) in women's and girls' sports such as running, cycling, rugby, weightlifting - they win prizes easily.
In the USA, this can mean girls losing out on sports scholarships to university.

In non-professional sport, there is no need for these men to be on hormone treatment or have any sort of assessment.
Even in professional sport, a man who has lowered testosterone still has a much higher level than women.
He also still has a stronger physique making his competing against women completely unfair.

Davidhs just google 'transwomen in women's sport', or something similar, and you will find out what's happening.

The issues of sex testing in sports have led to many instances of humiliation and even mutilation for women. So the situation is neither as simple nor as clear cut as some people claim. Many competitors have been castigated because their physicality did not conform to what was considered female. Developing countries have pressured women into surgical procedures to ensure they presented as "normal"
Interestingly the only study of hormonal levels in male athletes found that there were overlaps between male and female athletes
16.5% of men had low testosterone levels, whereas 13.7% of women had high levels with complete overlap between the sexes
Quite how women's sport could be restricted entirely to people who identifed as women from birth it is difficult to see. None of the measures tried so far have been successful and some have actually caused harm to the people involved.

"There is no such thing as a biologically female/male body" say Amnesty International.
Bonkers!

I am furious about this, my BIOLOGY is female; my gender may well be something I wish to choose. I might FEEL as though I am male and wish to transition but that is NOT biology. I have nothing against trans people, they are entitled to do what they want to their bodies because it is theirs to do with as they wish; but please can organizations stop pretending that the vast majority of us who are biologically male/female are wrong. These organizations don't get that they stand the risk of alienating the vast majority of the population by their #woke nonsense.

Sorry had to vent as I am getting really fed up with this. Women are being erased from society; we are becoming 'people who menstruate', mothers are now 'birthing parents'etc, it's time to stop!
Oh, and having been seriously sexually assaulted in a place where I should have been safe I want toilets to be for biological females only.

Amnesty have gone way down in my opinion now. They said they were “disappointed” with the Keira Bell judgement. Weren’t they supposed to be. campaigning group for political prisoners? I won’t be supporting them again.

The pretence that we suddenly dont know what biological sex is and that this cant be established in individuals is deeply dangerous in particular to transmen and transwomen. In order to receive adequate healthcare for example sex is very important and will impact on most treatment they receive. We also need to stop conflating intersex and trans as the intersex community have begged that this does not happen. Sex is a protected characteristic under the equality act pretending it does not exist is deeply offensive and would not happen for any other protected characteristic.