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Parents of 4-year old transgender child - This Morning interview.

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FarNorth Tue 11-May-21 21:25:20

youtu.be/eaXobQFxb84

No comment.

Hithere Tue 11-May-21 21:49:24

Unless I am missing some context, from the video, I applaud the parents for respecting their son's decisions.

Why catalogue people by the gender they are born as? From clothes, activities, hair styles, ....
I cringe when I go to stores and I see everything by boy or girl since infanthood.
So constraining

M0nica Tue 11-May-21 21:59:09

Surely if we are heading to total equality and acceptance, nobody will give a toss what anyone wears or does because it will all be unisex anyway. There will be no such thing as gender in appearance, pursuits or anything else.

EllanVannin Tue 11-May-21 22:02:44

Just plain no.

trisher Tue 11-May-21 22:03:53

I know of someone with a child who behaved exactly like this. It isn't easy for the parents. They seem to be doing their best for him. I hope they can all be happy.

trisher Tue 11-May-21 22:05:09

So if your child born a girl insisted he was a boy what exactly would you do? Ignore him, insist he is a girl?

M0nica Tue 11-May-21 22:11:14

Surely you would let them wear and do what they instinctively feel happiest doing and not stick labels on them. That way if they ever changed their mind, nobody would make an issue of it.

trisher Tue 11-May-21 22:14:19

And if the child was upset when you referred to her belongings, wanted to have a boys name and wanted you to talk about him not her? What then?

M0nica Tue 11-May-21 22:18:01

Do what they want. What's the problem?

M0nica Tue 11-May-21 22:19:00

although in the future there will presumably be no gender specific names and no gender specific pronouns.

trisher Tue 11-May-21 22:22:25

M0nica

Do what they want. What's the problem?

That's exactly what those parents are doing!

aggie Tue 11-May-21 22:22:45

Unfortunately there are gender specific bodies , and that is the hard bit when the child reaches puberty, it’s not all sweetness and roses then

FarNorth Wed 12-May-21 01:02:42

It's lucky that these sorts of ideas haven't caught on, isn't it. However would a child know if they are a girl or a boy then?

www.lettoysbetoys.org.uk/

Summerlove Wed 12-May-21 01:29:43

aggie

Unfortunately there are gender specific bodies , and that is the hard bit when the child reaches puberty, it’s not all sweetness and roses then

Gender is a social construct though

Hithere Wed 12-May-21 01:35:19

Summerlove
Exactly

We are human beings, why do we have to put ourselves in buckets?

FarNorth Wed 12-May-21 05:49:00

Sex is not a social construct.

Sparkling Wed 12-May-21 06:38:55

So no one will be gender specific, what a complete load of tosh. They will soon see what sex age she is at 13, what then ! The only way to be make her male is to completely change a sound body into which she was born. Can't they just be and develop. I didn't play with dolls, much preferred my friends to be boys as I loved bikes and cars, so glad my parents funny label me transgender, I most definitely wasn't as when I hit teens noticed boys in a completely different way. We change so much at different stages in our lives. The parents, very loving and sure doing it for the best intentions are doing it for them, wrong to put labels on anyone. She's a girl that prefers boys games and clothes that's all.

JaneJudge Wed 12-May-21 07:09:35

One of my sons used to do his hair and wear make up and dress very feminine and we didn't make a big deal of it. I remember having a conversation with him about gender stereotyping (he was over 10) and societal expectations of either biological sex and how it was fine to be who he was. We never discussed him changing his name or being a girl. Presumably the stuff on this morning was a bit more complex.

My friend has changed from a man to a woman and has had surgery. He suffered a massive life changing trauma as a teenager and does seem much happier to be living as a woman, whether that is part of leaving the trauma behind I don't know, I imagine that is complex too.

There does need to be line drawn wrt to female only care and other issues. We can be accepting of people's choices whilst respecting other peoples (women's) rights.

Iam64 Wed 12-May-21 07:51:45

This ‘interview’ is my first (and last ) experience of the Good Morning programme.

Why do these parents think it’s ok to go on this programme to discuss their child in this way? The child isn’t able to give informed consent.

Chardy Wed 12-May-21 07:52:46

Society makes demands on children and how the genders behave.
DGD went through Nursery not caring what she wore, how she played. Now she's at school (young dynamic teacher, but she's seeing much older children in the playground for the first time), she's quite vociferous about boys' clothes and girls' clothes. I dread her talking about boys' toys and girls' toys which the toy shops push far more than they did in her parents' day.

Galaxy Wed 12-May-21 08:02:49

This morning should not be allowed to cover issues relating to children they just arent equipped to handle it. A few years ago they gave a platform to a man who had been cleared of shaking his baby, he ran a media campaign to regain custody, he was successful and killed her a year later. Obviously this then gave this morning the opportunity to run a segment on how awful they felt for being duped. Childrens issues are not entertainment for adults and especially by a programme with such a proven record.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 12-May-21 08:05:47

I’ve never heard of This Morning.

But to come on and discuss another’s individual in this way without their consent is outrageous, and we are complicit in this outrage by discussing it.

Galaxy Wed 12-May-21 08:07:03

Yes we should stop.

25Avalon Wed 12-May-21 08:23:36

35 years ago a friend of mine had 2 girls. The eldest was a real girl but the youngest was a tomboy as the expression then went. The youngest was never happy wearing dresses or skirts, played football for a boys team, and her mum had to get special dispensation from the school for her to wear culottes instead of a skirt. When she grew up it was no surprise that she had a girl as her partner whom she subsequently became the husband of. Was she, however, transgender? I don’t think so and that is the problem. In the states a lot of parents would rather their child was transgender than gay or lesbian.

There is a lot of trauma in transgendering. It is probably best left under the child is older and in the meanwhile let them be treated just as themselves.

Lucca Wed 12-May-21 08:25:12

Iam64

This ‘interview’ is my first (and last ) experience of the Good Morning programme.

Why do these parents think it’s ok to go on this programme to discuss their child in this way? The child isn’t able to give informed consent.

Great post. Totally agree.