This attitude reminds me of the activities of the Paedophile Information Exchange in the 1960s-70s.
Not that it has anything to do with paedophilia, it doesn't, but the way an aggressive group or person, uses manipulative methods, underpinned with a barely concealed threats of violence to try to force others to accept and enable their sexually threatening demands.
Jean Hatchet thrown out of the meeting for asking a question, followed by Kama Melly QC. No debate lives on. Silence dissenting voices. How very inclusive.
In my view, even if someone is prejudiced in some way e.g. racist, the process of helping that person after they have experienced sexual violence is not the time to challenge their prejudice.
There was an item on the news yesterday as I drove to work, about a woman who said she can’t vote Tory, but does not know how to vote because neither Labour, Liberal, or Green offer to protect women, and then of course, there’s Scotland.
Here are the replies of Ed Davey, LibDem leader, from R4 Today programme when he was asked about safe female-only places. (He says there shouldn't be any.)
Man telling women to shove up and be quiet, because they have no idea how bad the lived experience is for transwomen. Oh the irony! Or is that ignorant mansplaining yet again? Germaine Greer said women didn't realise how much some men hate us. I thought she was crazy and oh so misguided. I'd like to apologise to her for my ignorance.
I couldn’t vote for a party that says there should be no safe spaces for women.
So that’s the greens and SNP out and Labour doesn’t support it . . . . . . and Conservatives only haven’t said it YET. And some people STILL think women shouldn’t be worried and that safe spaces for women aren’t essential.
Yesterday at a barbecue I was talking to someone about this issue - women’s anger etc. and how it’s going to affect women who’d normally vote Labour or LD - and she dismissed it as unimportant, something all stirred up by the Daily Mail. TBH I was shocked - she’s a highly intelligent woman in maybe late 60s, who I’d guess from other things she said, would normally vote Labour.
There was quite a big article about it in The Times yesterday, too.
I don't understand why people can't get their heads around the fact that if a man still has male genitalia then he should not be allowed into women only spaces. I have sympathy for those men who feel they are trapped in the wrong body - but I have more sympathy for women who feel they are being robbed of safe places.
Just appalling seeing them all jump to a minority squawking. Is there any other country in the world where the minority rules. Don’t think so. Equality is what we all want, but not at the expense of safety for women. I won’t be voting for any of them if all follow this line.
I'm disappointed in Ed Davey, very, but, there are issues that are far more important and this that will determine the way I vote in a general election. And this is being deliberately blown up by the tory party.
I'm not sure that 'safe' is the right word in any case. Do we feel unsafe using the facilities on trains or aeroplanes? It's a matter of what used to be termed modesty, and no harm in that. And the fact that men's wc's are notoriously less salubrious than women's.
And I agree with what Monica above about minority aggression.
I'm disappointed in Ed Davey, very, but, there are issues that are far more important and this that will determine the way I vote in a general election. And this is being deliberately blown up by the tory party.
I'm not sure that 'safe' is the right word in any case. Do we feel unsafe using the facilities on trains or aeroplanes? It's a matter of what used to be termed modesty, and no harm in that. And the fact that men's wc's are notoriously less salubrious than women's.
And I agree with what Monica above about minority aggression.
The facilities on planes and trains are usually lockable single cubicles, also usually totally enclosed spaces. Public toilets and changing rooms tend to be "locker room" style so large open spaces leading to the cubicles often with spaces above and below doors and walls.