Covexit - how would YOU manage it?

Ellianne...lake district is in Cumbria, we are quite high on the list of areas worse effected by virus per head of population, 5th I think last time I looked. Worse places to be during lockdown though . Hate to think we will have a sudden influx of people once restrictions are lifted.

Today someone sent me a copy of the exit plans that had been pubished? In the Sun newspaper, a three step traffic light style plan starting in May this year, with astep by step account of how, when and where it will happen. To be honest, l dont believe a word of it, typical Sun newspaper journalism. According to the article, the country will be fully back to normal by the end of July, which would simply be too much, too fast, and too soon!

A friend of mine who lives in Spain says that the question on many peoples lips is where to go when lockdown ends. Should it be a bar, a party, or should it be Weight Watchers?

Please tell me who said over 7Os will have to self isolate/shield until Autumn 2021

Oh Lucca, I know exactly how you feel this morning. The sun is shining, my family are all fit and well and yet I have had a little cry this morning at the thought of having to stay in for a year. I'm not yet 70 but my partner is 72. I am not a crier, usually I am very pragmatic, plan for the worst and hope for the best type of person, but I feel I have lost my self in all this. A month ago I still felt like a useful member of the family, helping out with grandson and looking forward to a new grandchild. Now I just feel like a helpless old person waiting for permission to carry on with my real life. I am going out to the garden now, maybe I will feel better when I have taken it out on some weeds. I can't send you a hug so I send you a to cheer us both up.

Personally I can't stand this mass hysteria …..and it is still one law for some and one for others ….MPs and Boris going to their country homes …...whereas someone living in a small flat with no outside space is supposed to open the window to breath in the wonderful city air …..Greta will be delighted ! Just as soon as possible I am off out of the country to the island I used to live on where there is fresh air, the sea, green fields and sun (and, incidentally, only a very few cases of the virus) I believe 'allowing' people to decide and to be sensible would have been a better way forward rather than the response of the British government ...and still people are crossing the channel in little boats to get here ….have they been tested ! what do you think ! where are they going to go ? I am over 70 with health issues but can't wait to get away ….and to those who say this is selfish ….no, it isn't as no one knows who has the virus, who is passing it on, and who may be incubating it …...I may already have it/have had it/ and SO MAY YOU …..judge not lest ye be judged

I won’t be doing anything very different until the vaccine is available. The loosening up of lockdown might be the most dangerous phase. To say we have 115,000 cases is a joke. I know of 30 people , three died , who are not recorded. I might meet up with people who are also isolating. But I’ll stay away from shops etc

The virus is here now ,it is not going away. We do not even know yet if we can get a vaccine for it. There has never ever been a vaccine produced for the family of corona virises. Doctors do not yet know if you become immune to it once you have had it.
Therefore life will not be the same again for along time.
When lockdown is lifted it will have to be done very gradually and only when the health service has all the capacity to deal with it.

The English/UK Government simply are not capable of planning this without further risks and dangers to us all.

We now know they can't count either, or they deliberately excluded the care home and community fatalities.

There needs to be co-ordination, both within the UK, and across Europe, and the last thing we need right now is any "planning" ideas from across the pond. They are truly out of their trees.

As of today, the UK's % fatality compared to the number of cases is 14%, whereas in Italy it is 13%, and the Netherlands 11%.

The UK really has got something wrong, and as for planning for 'exit', anyone else would be better than this lot.

Gran52 ...Where do you live? Hopefully not near me!

To me it’s obvious we will all be at great risk until there is a vaccine so whatever we are advised, I plan to be very careful who I meet up with. Try to keep the risk reasonably low personally

Our local Council is re-opening the tips, mainly, I think because fly-tipping is causing problems to farmers.
They are limiting access to one person at a time, and no trailers or large vans. They have also asked everyone not to rush there immediately (fat chance of that being done)
No matter how the returning to normal life is organised I am going to be very cautious. There is bound to be an upswing in infections when it happens. Who knows when, or if, the virus will be beaten.

I agree with the above posters. Whatever the official guidelines, the virus is going away. I don't think it will make much difference to me.

The first thing I would want to see is mass testing and accurate reporting. I want to feel confident that the government knows what it's dealing with.

I think we will need to wear masks all of the time in public and have the app on our phones in case we are in contact with an infected person then all contacts can be traced and some will need to quarantine.Take up was only 12% where it has been tried elsewhere and we’d need it to be 80% if it was to work so that’s very difficult ?
I’ve no proof but a combination of these 2 and complete travel embargo would see the virus gradually die out IMO. If new cases arose and could quickly be discovered a plan for dealing with this would be immediately put in action.
I’m probably living in cloud cuckoo land though ?

I think a lot of us will be cautious. I would want to visit various family members who cannot get to me but it involves train travel which I will be wary about, and the people I want to visit however much they want to see me, will also be wary of having me visit after sitting on a train with other people for hours on end, as they are vulnerable. I am not not sure if we will ever meet again because I don’t think this virus is going anywhere soon.

I do think that in future the arbitrary cut off at 70 should be dropped and replaced with individual ratings - some people of 80 are fighting fit and, it seems, men in their 50’s are at as much risk as a woman of 70.

So, I think that in the end, we will all have to decide whether to add one more risk ( on top of obesity, alcohol, car accidents, not having a flu injection etc) to our lives by going back to ‘normal’, or whether to live a virtual reality life. I think the decision should be ours and ours alone, once the health service has caught up with themselves. It will be a game changer and very stressful, some people might choose option 3!

We need to get the kids back to school no good will come of them being at home. And I need to get back to work ha ha I’m nit ready or financially well off for this reluctant sedatary life!

I would suggest that in future, all public venues, such as cinemas, hotels, busses, trains, planes, cruise ships, pubs, restaurants, maybe shops, football matches, etc should test the body temperature of everybody wanting to enter, using one of those scanner thermometers that does not even have to touch you and can be used in a crowd. Like this one: www.thermoteknix.com/products/oem-thermal-imaging/fevir-scan-fever-screening-system/

Most of the deaths - millions of them - in the Spanish Flu epidemic came in the second wave. How we are going to emerge from this, God only knows. Very slowly and cautiously, I would think.

My DD, who has studied the most recent research, says the pandemic could be around for the next 5 years if the scientists don't manage to develop a vaccine. I said we can't stay in isolation til 2025! She said it would presumably mean prolonged social distancing and periodic lockdowns. This might be a way to prevent a second wave. However, she lives in the USA where their idiot President is trying to incite his followers to protest against their state guvenors stay-at-home orders. Hardly the actions of a leader with his people's interests at heart.

We also have a government which has handled this crisis with monumental incompetence and basic lying, so I guess it is up to us as individuals to decide what risks we are prepared to take when the lockdown is lifted. I certainly won't be dashing out as soon as Matt Hancock says it is okay.

Yes, garden centres opened up first please (sod the golf courses, Teetime haha) then children back to school, then hairdressers and leisure centres, parks NT places etc.Small businesses and shops next, lastly cinemas theatres bars and cafes.

Won’t make much difference to me because I am housebound anyway. However my help will be able .to talk to me in the same room again. She only pops in briefly now to do heavy work I cannot manage.

starbird I think the age "limit" is a bit irrelevant anyway. I'm 65, but have totally isolated myself. It's nothing to do with any "rules" but the risk I'm personally willing to take.

How would you organise that Harris? There is absolutely no way that there could be social distancing. Classrooms aren't big enough and younger children in particular are always huddling together. Would you provide all the school staff with protective clothing?

Just seen this and thought Brilliant!!

Denmark

Any company registered in an off shore tax haven is not getting any government assistance.

Oh that we had such a far sighted government.

Skweek1 I've just googled it. From a Distance. Recorded in 1990 by Bette Midler

I was thinking that myself growstuff Sun 19-Apr-20 15:48:39

I think that hairdressers when they open up will only let so many people in at a time as the chairs aren't that far apart.
There's lots of places I would like to go especially garden centres but I won't be rushing to go anywhere. I'm feeling very cautious. Even when it comes to Christmas I won't be around the shopping centres. Online shopping for me.