Rebelling

The virus doesn’t give a Scooby who is in government
With the OPs attitude things are unlikely to get better
I take all measures I can to prevent my fellow human being getting infected regardless of wether or not I support the Government

I’m one of those who has followed ever rule here in Wales and also different ones in Spain recently and am currently quarantining for two weeks after my flight home.

I have no problem doing the above if it keeps my loved (and less healthy) ones safe. I don’t understand who some people think the rules/guidelines don’t apply to them.

If all the OP is saying is that she doesn't trust the accuracy of the latest version of the track and trace app, then I would agree, the UK Government's record on IT projects is abysmal.

No, that’s not what she was saying B9.
She said this
Neither will I allow myself to be track and traced via my mobile. Any contact number given out will be for a very old PAYG phone which has no connection to myself or my address

Ie, deliberately giving out false/misleading information which could waste the time of those involved in trying to prevent the spread of the virus.
I don’t suppose that would count as wasting police time (which is a criminal offence) but it’s not far off.

I can’t get my head round the content of the original post. We’re talking about trying to all act in a sensible and cautious manner to try to reduce unnecessary serious illness and deaths. Not how to dodge payment of a parking fine.
I have a window visit to a care home every few days. It’s heartbreaking trying to hold the attention of someone who has dementia while separated by a window and wearing a mask. A “normal” visit would involve hugs and reassurance. Now impossible. While there are so many “rebels” making up there own rules there are frail care home residents who have been fading away before our eyes over the last 6 months. The OP makes me feel so many will not survive long enough to hug their families.

is the OP being deliberately goady ?

It is the VIRUS that is threatening your health if you catch it, and that of anyone you pass it onto, not the government. Why are you rebelling against them and not against the virus? By refusing to take sensible precautions against it, you are colluding with it. Pretty stupid.

If someone you hated told you not to lift a hot roasting tin out of the oven with bare hands, would you rebel against them and do it anyway?

Forget the government. If they don't know what the blazes they are doing, you just have to do the right thing yourself, and not do the wrong thing just to spite them - that way you are being influenced by them just as much as you would if you followed every variation in their advice.

The important thing isn't whether you rebel against a vacillating government that you despise, it is whether you are fighting the virus. DO WHAT WILL PREVENT YOU CATCHING COVID OR (IF YOU DO GET IT) PREVENT YOU PASSING IT ON TO ANYONE ELSE. It Are you doing that?

It is so dispiriting. We have a government totally lacking in efficiency and integrity, which invites the sort of responses that we see from OP and her like.

If trustworthy people were in control, hopefully most members of the population would toe the line; but because we are ruled by charlatans then some people feel justified in ignoring the advice.

It is a very toxic situation, and many will die unnecessarily because of it.

One view on why Bolton has such a high infection rate:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/20/covid-scepticism-behind-high-bolton-infection-rate-says-local-mp

I didn't realise Bolton was such a rebellious place.

Apparently, dozens of infections were seeded by one man returning from holiday and refusing to go into quarantine and going on a pub crawl.

Meanwhile, in Southend:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-54207369

237 people thought to have been in contact with Covid-19 patients can't be traced. I hope they didn't provide false phone numbers.

1,635 people in the whole of Essex haven't been traced. Essex currently has a low infection rate, so goodness knows how many people haven't been contacted in areas with higher infection rates.

Jaxjacky

I hope I don’t live near you then Hebnenali. We may have to live with it, most of us are trying our hardest to ensure fewer die with it.

hear hear

Your thread title is 'Rebelling' - in this case I think Rebelling = great selfishness

Chief rebel here, even if I do wear knee length shorts! What you're considering is not rebellion, it's just plain stupidity. If we all took this approach the virus would never be contained. What are you afraid of the government discovering if they have your details? And wouldn't you want to know if you'd been somewhere where someone was infected even if you have had it before?

This is now why we are in a second wave of this virus because selfish people don't give a toss for anyone else and happily admit to breaking the rules.

The OP is just saying that she has no faith in the Govt's handling of the pandemic and its testing regime. She doesn't want to make herself liable for a £1-£10,000 fine for not isolating, so she is taking steps to avoid being 'traced'.
This is a point of view. The incubation and contagion pattern of this virus is very little understood. We haven't seen stats of the % of positive results per 1,000 tests.
I read this as another way of saying that the harm caused by lockdown measures to businesses and social and family life outweigh the benefits. The OP is not the only person who thinks that. I sit on the fence myself.

Winter white, I totally agree with what you have said. From what I read the OP has done absolutely nothing wrong. No rules broken, no selfish actions. No quarantine broken or anything that could be deemed irresponsible. Additionally she seems to be adhering to all requirements. Certainly nothing to attract all this hostility and vitriolic language. I also sit on the fence but I also have little faith in this governments handling of the pandemic and in particular the ability to correctly and efficiently deal with testing and tracking.

Indeed, the OP backpedalled rapidly in subsequent posts; but the whole tenor of the original premise is that we should not take notice of what is needed. I find that a dangerous and irresponsible stance.

By all means regard this government's handling of this crisis as inept in the extreme, but do not debunk the science, because that is where hope lies.

I think the OP just wants a political rant tbh, and hoping we will be doing the same as she plans to do.

I know many who are thinking like this. I think it's childish. Not to mention selfish.

winterwhite

The OP is just saying that she has no faith in the Govt's handling of the pandemic and its testing regime. She doesn't want to make herself liable for a £1-£10,000 fine for not isolating, so she is taking steps to avoid being 'traced'.
This is a point of view. The incubation and contagion pattern of this virus is very little understood. We haven't seen stats of the % of positive results per 1,000 tests.
I read this as another way of saying that the harm caused by lockdown measures to businesses and social and family life outweigh the benefits. The OP is not the only person who thinks that. I sit on the fence myself.

The positivity rates per tests are available, although the government's not being that transparent. (I'll find them if you want.) Despite the increase in testing, the positivity rate remained stable and has increased in the last week or so. That would suggest that tests aren't being used on people who don't need them, despite what the government claims. It also debunks the idea that the number of cases has increased as a result of more testing.

Whatever happened to the principle of thinking of others? We can't all do what we would like in this situation. I do agree that the government is struggling with tackling a little understood virus, the and failed to realise its seriousness early enough, but now I believe they are belatedly doing what they can in an almost impossible situation ; juggling the economy against keeping people safe.
This sounds sanctimonious, but I do think it's the duty of every single person to comply with the current rules, even if they don't fully agree with them.
Not to do so is simply prolonging a horrible crisis that everyone wants to end as soon as possible.

Hebdenali

Please don’t get me wrong. I will happily wear a mask when out. Not touch anyone who doesn’t want to be touched or invade their personal space. I will Wash my hands till they are sore. I will maintain social distances in queues and always adhere to the wishes of the most cautious person I’m with.
BUT as someone who has had the virus months ago I may well be the safest person to be around. The incidence of second infections are extremely rare. And for this reason I will not endure weeks of incarceration should I happen to sit near an infected person on a train or in a shop.

Good grief. So, having a level of immunity yourself you won’t be prepared to download an app that could potentially save other people’s lives? I, too, loathe this government and don’t believe most of what they say but will still do everything they tell me to do to protect others. I’ve also noticed a difference in attitude from those people that have survived the virus with no long term adverse symptoms of which this post is a classic example.

Thank goodness the majority think not only of themselves but the well being of others. Once altruism breaks down our society is indeed on a slippery slope.

OP, the government [who I think has handled the whole crisis very badly in many areas, and I think BJ is incompetent]...is not the problem. The corona virus is!

So just get down from your smug high horse [you may have had the virus, that doesn't mean you are 100% safe, read the info]...and use your common sense and kick in your social conscience to protect other vulnerable people.

You've been ok, a lot won't be, they will suffer greatly and may have life long health problems. So for God's sake educate yourself and stop being so selfish and stupid. It's not being rebellious, it's being immature, just showing off and being very silly. To say it politely.

How very selfish I just hope you don't live near me.

It good news on the progress of the vaccine though. I personally think it will make a huge difference when it is readily available. But, in the meantime we ALL need to be very careful.

Have any of you seen any of these two videos, and what do you think?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFlqXPl_hZQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lq3_rsBJ9w