I’m being made to feel stupid for sticking to the rules, anyone else?

Idiots have been trying to post photos of empty hospital corridors on social media to prove that the pandemic is just a conspiracy.

Sadly even more idiots will believe them.

There's a person in our village who loves to bake so they are dropping off treats to all and sundry. Whilst it's done with the best of intentions it really needs to stop. I don't know why people can't display some common sense. A lot of umbrage would be taken if anyone would ask this person to stop.

Apparently in some areas of London tonight one in fifteen people have Covid.

So yes, do the right thing. Abide by the recommendations.
I am.

I am glad to hear that at long last you are taking the advise of the experts UG

Put a sock in it varian.
I did & do listen to experts.

Just occasionally different ones to you is all. Other viewpoints are allowed.

Anyway this is about Covid not Brexit.

The DfE has published the number of pupils who had tested positive in English schools before Christmas. In secondary schools, it was an average of 1 in 27, which doesn't include the pupils who were absent because they had been told to self-isolate. That means on average that one pupil in every class was infected. London and some other areas had higher rates, which is why some London boroughs wanted to close schools a week early.

I really find it difficult to understand why some people are still denying how serious this is. The virus doesn't drop out of the sky like fairy dust, but by human contact. The best thing anybody can do is avoid as much human contact as possible, even with people you think you know.

Unfortunately there are too many people in this country who don't pay attention to experts.

I’m pleased to say I’m not one of them.
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Dinahmo

A friend living in London emailed today and said that UCH London is now just a covid hospital.

also The London Hospital in Whitechapel is now only taking seriously ill Covid patients.
at 2.30 pm today i heard Mayor Khan saying there is now a major incident in london hosps, almost overwhelmed; police and firefighters are driving ambulances. he said one in 30 people in london have the virus, in some parts of london it is 1 in 20.
by 5pm news, sky and bbc, it was reported that in parts of london, one in 15 people have the virus.

they wont think its over rated when they get the virus . was told at urgent care that its gathering in the younger generation as they so stupid to think it wont get them . urgent care was packed with 18-25 yr old when i was there .all had covid symptoms all were told to go home and stay there ,some laughed and some swore till security guard got involved and locked them out .. then he had to stand by the doors and let the ones in that had been advised by the nhs 111 to attend urgent care ..

these people are a good example as to why the pandemic will not go away anytime soon

Grow stuff. Don't worry about how many have supposedly got this thing at the moment. Most of them aren't ill and very few will die. It is the death rate we were talking about. That is the number of people who get the virus and go on to die. Please don't confuse the two or yes you will be worried. The death rate varies depending on your age. But under eighties don't have a lot to worry about. Conflating the rates is what results in these terrifying figures.

A lot of people who don't die, nevertheless get very ill.
That's why hospitals are struggling so much just now - because those people are ill enough to need hospital care.

Excess deaths graph - 2020 highest since WW2. Source ONS.
Don't get complacent that "not many are dying".

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Grow stuff. Don't worry about how many have supposedly got this thing at the moment. Most of them aren't ill and very few will die. It is the death rate we were talking about. That is the number of people who get the virus and go on to die. Please don't confuse the two or yes you will be worried. The death rate varies depending on your age. But under eighties don't have a lot to worry about. Conflating the rates is what results in these terrifying figures.

I'm not confusing the two. And I'm not worrying myself. Why on earth should I be worried? I'm not in a situation where I have to put myself at risk. I know perfectly well what "death rate" means.

The point is that a high transmission rate does lead to a higher death rate. You can see that from looking at historic statistics.

By the way, under 80s most certainly do have something to worry about.

GrannyRose Are you the poster who said we should "Keep Calm and Carry On, who said that schools should have remained fully open and claimed children don't spread the disease, that the NHS should have carries on treating people as normal (despite not having the resources)", said elderly people should have continued receiving visitors and said Christmas shouldn't have been "cancelled"?

TenaciousB, Things have really changed since this post began. No more little comments about my 'overreacting' or being a 'killjoy' now.

Still, I have one friend who just doesn't watch the news, doesn't know the rules (doesn't want to know - as it wouldn't suit her), can't adjust etc. There's always one!

growstuff

GrannyRose Are you the poster who said we should "Keep Calm and Carry On, who said that schools should have remained fully open and claimed children don't spread the disease, that the NHS should have carries on treating people as normal (despite not having the resources)", said elderly people should have continued receiving visitors and said Christmas shouldn't have been "cancelled"?

I don't think that that sounds exactly like my post although I do agree with many of its sentiments. My view is that this whole coronavirus nightmare has been an extreme over-reaction by government that will result in far more damage to our society than the virus itself. Loneliness can be a killer, as can delays in treatment for serious illnesses. It will take years for our children to recover from the disruption in their education and the severe anxiety that has been rife in the population. And don't even get me started on the damage to democracy caused by our willingness to live in a dictatorship for an entire year.

And by the way, it is a mistake to think, as some on this site appear to do, that my views have necessarily meant I have put anyone else at risk at any time in the last few months.

GrannyRose15

growstuff

GrannyRose Are you the poster who said we should "Keep Calm and Carry On, who said that schools should have remained fully open and claimed children don't spread the disease, that the NHS should have carries on treating people as normal (despite not having the resources)", said elderly people should have continued receiving visitors and said Christmas shouldn't have been "cancelled"?

I don't think that that sounds exactly like my post although I do agree with many of its sentiments. My view is that this whole coronavirus nightmare has been an extreme over-reaction by government that will result in far more damage to our society than the virus itself. Loneliness can be a killer, as can delays in treatment for serious illnesses. It will take years for our children to recover from the disruption in their education and the severe anxiety that has been rife in the population. And don't even get me started on the damage to democracy caused by our willingness to live in a dictatorship for an entire year.

I could give a link to your post, but I don't think it's allowed.

There were 1,243 deaths recorded yesterday, many of which could have been avoided if people didn't hold views such as yours.

And, yes, that's deaths - not cases - I do know the difference. Covid-19 is a killer!

IMO your opinion that we have lived in a dictatorship for a year is ridiculous, as is your assertion that severe anxiety is "rife".

GrannyRose15

And by the way, it is a mistake to think, as some on this site appear to do, that my views have necessarily meant I have put anyone else at risk at any time in the last few months.

No, it's not a mistake at all. A handful of people have caused a great deal of damage.

Emails released under freedom of information legislation show that the royals disregarded calls to postpone the trip.

The royal family ignored two Scottish Government warnings not to travel to Scotland as part of their much criticised Royal train tour.

The arrogance of superspreaders! Imagine visiting struggling food bank in luxury train during a pandemic and bringing no food or any help. Wait the train didn’t even have food on it for the food banks?! How did I miss that. You have a big ass train the amount of food they could and should have donated and med supplies. And nothing! What was the point?

And the new strain of C19 in London at the time.

Maybe they donated separately and without publicising it? They would have criticised if they made a big thing of announcing, "And here is our big contribution." They can't win whatever they do or don't do.

They could have stayed away, as everyone else was being told to do.

growstuff

GrannyRose15

And by the way, it is a mistake to think, as some on this site appear to do, that my views have necessarily meant I have put anyone else at risk at any time in the last few months.

No, it's not a mistake at all. A handful of people have caused a great deal of damage.

You are being extremely rude. How do you know how I have spent the last few months? This blame culture is doing no-one any good, and stems from ignorance.