Long thread with an important Covid message...please read!!!

Hear, hear!

You are absolutely right. Now the govt are trying to blame the people for not following the rules and also for being obese. They are also claiming that the NHS isn't overrun. My mind boggles at their attitude. I hope that you are begining to feel better

Well said Supernan05.
I hope you and your husband are feeling better as the days go on.

Thanks for this thread I agree this should be taken seriously by everyone. I hope you continue with your recovery.

Well, Dinahmo, people are not following the rules as Supernan has just pointed out and you agreed.

Supernan05 First, I hope you are feeling better. Second, I so agree with you re the supermarkets. I haven’t been in one since November. My DH (an HGV driver) does all the shopping now. We use an app called Bring for our shopping list. He works nights permanently so I can add things as I think of them and he picks them up , once or twice a week, on the way home in the morning when Sainsbury’s is quiet.
I know it’s easier for us “of a certain age” to stay at home. I worry about my DS & DIL who need to keep going and raise my two DGDs.
I wish the lockdown had been stricter and had included a curfew. My DH can’t believe the car traffic he meets on the motorways in the wee small hours - where are all these people going? Trucks yes but cars?
Good luck to you and your OH, let’s hope it will soon be under control. X

Well written Supernan05. Sorry to hear you have been so unwell and I hope the after effects of covid will soon ease and you’ll be restored to good health.

It’s infuriating to see the idiots going around with their noses above their mask etc. However, I wouldn’t feel confident to speak to them about it as you’ve suggested. Simply from a safety point of view as it could turn into a confrontational and unsafe scenario.

Supermarkets are making large profits and I feel it’s up to them to employ security staff who could monitor the shop floor and advise rule breakers on how they need to behave and if they don’t comply ask them to leave.

So who /what is to blame I can mention just one and thats a starter. Planes flying around the world with the 'must have a holiday' We did without 39/45 Get used to it.

We need a scapegoat to vent our anger and fear. Yet as I’ve said before a lot of the spreading is (also) done indoors, with people meeting family and or friends. It’s too easy to blame the ‘no mask/mask under nose’ brigade or the walkers/travellers who are easily spotted. Until everybody believes that their own personal behaviour is going to make a difference, we are fighting a losing battle.

BlueSky

We need a scapegoat to vent our anger and fear. Yet as I’ve said before a lot of the spreading is (also) done indoors, with people meeting family and or friends. It’s too easy to blame the ‘no mask/mask under nose’ brigade or the walkers/travellers who are easily spotted. Until everybody believes that their own personal behaviour is going to make a difference, we are fighting a losing battle.

It's a message so many people just don't seem to understand.

Well said Supernan05. Hope your recovery is going smoothly.

Well said. It’s sad that people have to be constantly reminded to do things properly though. I haven’t been to a supermarket for nearly a year but assume they aren’t asking people to sanitise their hands before entering the shop. And also the shops themselves aren’t well ventilated. Ventilation should be added to hands face space to educate people.

Until everybody believes that their own personal behaviour is going to make a difference, we are fighting a losing battle.

Hear hear! While many are blaming 'others' or 'people flying abroad' ( who are they, I don't know anyone), we all need to look at our own behaviour. I have not been there, but I read on my local FB page that our local garden centre is really busy, chiefly with people of a certain age who obviously think that their plant shopping is essential.

This week, a bloke I work with closely (covid denier) has been seen 3 times walking around school with no mask on. Against the cantonal and Swiss rules. I spoke to my academic supervisor about him (because he is having an effect on the students mask compliance). She talked to him and the other staff member who doesn't always wear a mask at 8.20am. At 8.30am I was in a meeting with them. He had his mask under his nose. With our other boss in the room. Nothing was said. He even asked me to close the window. I refused and said we needed it for ventilation.

What IS the point of having rules / laws if idiots are allowed to ignore them?

Supernan
I’m so sorry to hear that you and your husband have been ill, and I hope you’re beginning to feel better now. I know exactly how you feel because I have just spent twelve days in hospital with Covid. I had viral pneumonia, my oxygen saturation levels were dangerously low for several days, and I was treated with potassium infusions and tablets, antibiotics and antiviral infusions, high dose steroids, high dose blood thinners, and tablets to break down the fluids in my lungs which made me feel as if I was drowning. I coughed up blood regularly and was finally discharged with (unknown at the time) a hospital acquired infection which thankfully was able to be treated at home by my excellent GP. I was told by my consultant before I left hospital that I have ‘Covid scarring’ on my lungs, which may or may not improve. It’s probably responsible for the continuing coughing up of blood I’m experiencing. I have to return to the hospital in a few weeks for a further X-ray to check the progression of the Covid scarring. I had already had an X-ray and a CT scan when I was in hospital.

To all the doubters out there, this disease is serious and deadly. Supernan and I are living testimony to the seriousness of this disease. I have no idea why it continues to spread, all I would say is please take the greatest care. If you see someone in a supermarket wearing their mask incorrectly, walk away, don’t approach them. Supernan’s husband has some immunity as he has had Covid, but most of you will not have any immunity.
Finally I think it will be a very long time before I’m well enough to visit a supermarket. My husband had Covid too, and is fully recovered now, but a quick recovery is not guaranteed. We got it because my elderly mother who we bubble with, had an admittance to hospital following a fall, but was discharged with Covid, although we were told she was Covid free after two negative tests. The next test was positive. She wasn’t really ill despite being 93, my husband got it from her, and wasn’t very ill, but he passed it to me, and I very nearly died. Please take every care.
Stay safe.

I have thought about saying something to these types of people, but then you run the risk of getting into an altercation, which in turn increases your risk! I think I might have said something in your case Gagajo. You’re at work, and presumably know these people. It’s not right or fair, certainly in places of work because you can’t just walk away, as you could in a shop for example. They should be sent home without pay in my opinion, but what do I know?

Unfortunately, the head teacher also doesn't really believe in mask wearing, but goes along with the regulations.

A friend's 37 week pregnant grandaughter is seriously ill with Covid. She caught it from her community based optician husband who, dressed in PPE, went in to homes to treat patients, some of whom who refused to wear masks. Unfortuntately a least one of those patients had Covid.
Despite having had the vaccine, the young man still caught Covid, but was asymptomatic. It is a tragic case, with the poor man blaming himself.

I'm medically exempt, but I still wore a mask, as much as possible, during my recent hospital stay. It wasn't easy, but I managed it.

I went to he supermarket the other day. There was a child in charge of the sanitation station.
One woman walked straight past. Perhaps she had sanitised as she got out of the car but even if I don’t feel I need to, I always do it again to reassure other shoppers that I am safe. Why didn’t she?
Inside a woman was standing by the veg, no mask, I gave her a Paddington stare and she produced one.

What is the matter with these people?

You were very wise Marydoll because you weren’t in hospital with Covid. How I wish my mother had worn one during her hospital stay. I was on a Covid ward and already had Covid so it didn’t seem to me to be necessary. All the staff wore PPE whatever their role.

GagaJo, sorry to hear what you are having to endure.
could you not have said something to your colleague in the meeting about his mask.
i thought people in switzerland were v law-abiding.
who enforces the rules, is it the local authority. could you report the non-compliance in a workplace, also a school, maybe putting children at risk.
have you checked your rights as an employee, re employers' responsibility to ensure a safe environment. are you in a union.

Yes, the Swiss are as a rule. He isn't Swiss.

Wishing you a speedy recovery too maddyone ?? I also had potassium, iv antibiotics, steroids and blood thinners amongst other meds. I felt like a human pin cushion - daily blood tests and blood sugar levels a few times a day too due to type 2 diabetes. The amount of oxygen needed went to 90% which is when breathing was critical. When I was “well” enough to come home, my discharge letter had diagnosis as Covid pneumonia! Now in my second week home and my energy levels are not much above zero and I still have a choking cough and breathlessness. Like you, both DH and I will be having follow-up chest X-rays in about 10 weeks. I also have a heart scan coming up as I was asked if I was interested in taking part in a study looking at effects Covid has on the heart. I was asked because blood tests suggested I had damage to my heart. Like you I had x-rays during my stay which showed my lungs looked bad! If this is what “bad” does I don’t want to know what “very bad” would do ?

Supernan
I was only on 40% oxygen, 90% for you must mean you were hardly breathing. I feel exactly like you do, extremely exhausted most of the time. I sleep a lot, and don’t do a lot except read or watch television otherwise. I’ve been told it takes time to get back to normal, and I realise that’s going to be true. I agree that if what we experienced was bad, which it was, I can’t begin to imagine what it would have been like to be worse. I hope you’re going to take part in the study because hopefully it will lead to more help in the future for patients who experience heart problems. I had regular blood tests too, but I wasn’t told that anything had shown up in my heart thankfully.

Rest as much as you can, and take as much time as it takes to get well. It’s the only way forward for us.