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GrandmaKT Tue 12-Jan-21 20:45:18

We live in the NE and my DGC are in the SE. My son sent me one of their home schooling sheets this week....

It is about when 'a' says 'ar'. Examples given were 'after' and 'afternoon', which I can just about live with, but then

'daft', 'raft', 'dance'!

I really don't want my DC speaking like that!

It also made me think - do teachers use different resources depending on the area they are teaching in? I really can't see this worksheet being used in our area.

SueDonim Tue 12-Jan-21 20:48:49

Surely if you have grandchildren your own children have already formed their own accent. Why would adults be affected by a work sheet?

GrandmaKT Tue 12-Jan-21 20:56:01

Not sure what you mean SueDonim. My DH and I have northern accents as does my son. My Dil has a Southern accent which the children also have as they are growing up in the SE, which is obviously fine.
What I was querying is whether anyone, even in the SE says 'rarft' and 'darft' and whether they should be taught that this is correct. Also whether worksheets are differentiated regionally.

Lisagran Tue 12-Jan-21 20:58:41

I really don't want my DC speaking like that!
I think the confusion was this - did you mean to say DGC%?

Lisagran Tue 12-Jan-21 20:59:39

Don’t know where the % came from !

MissAdventure Tue 12-Jan-21 20:59:59

I say barth, parth, and all that jazz. Or jarzz. smile

GrandmaKT Tue 12-Jan-21 21:01:48

Lisagran

^I really don't want my DC speaking like that!^
I think the confusion was this - did you mean to say DGC%?

Ah yes, of course I meant DGC. Thanks Lisagran!

SueDonim Tue 12-Jan-21 21:15:35

Oh, I see, you meant your GC. Well, it’s really not up to you how your GC speak. If they live in the south, they probably will have that accent, that’s to be expected, surely?

Sarahmob Tue 12-Jan-21 21:19:21

In answer to your question about resources, yes regional accents are recognised and respected in phonics teaching.
My DGS changes his accent depending on who he’s talking to ... he goes in the Barth with daddy/Grandma who are from Essex, but goes in the bath with mummy/Grammy who are from Lincolnshire. (He’s only just 3)

M0nica Tue 12-Jan-21 21:30:44

Why do you not want your children speaking like that? It is standard pronounciation across nearly half of England.

Missfoodlove Tue 12-Jan-21 21:41:25

My daughter perfected a Geordie accent after only a few weeks living in Newcastle, she was 4.
I collected her from school and asked her if she wanted a snack when we got home.
“ Why aye mammy “ was the reply.
She soon dropped it when we moved sarf.
Children are chameleons they will adapt.

GrandmaKT Tue 12-Jan-21 22:21:12

M0nica

Why do you not want your children speaking like that? It is standard pronounciation across nearly half of England.

Really?
As I say, 'arfter' and 'arfternoon' I can accept, but 'rarft' and 'plarnt' just sound plain 'darft'!

dragonfly46 Tue 12-Jan-21 22:25:48

I can accept rarft and plarnt but not plarstic and Doncarster!

Esspee Tue 12-Jan-21 22:37:52

Surely that type of pronunciation is a speech impediment.
I know of no one who adds an r in words as on the school worksheet. The parents need to get in touch with the school to point out this error as the children could find themselves ridiculed in the future.
I could also see it affecting their job prospects.

GrandmaKT Tue 12-Jan-21 22:42:38

Exactly Esspee! Thank you.

Witzend Tue 12-Jan-21 22:46:38

Isn’t it more a case of dahft and rahft etc.? No actual ‘r’ sound in the middle of the word.

Callistemon Tue 12-Jan-21 22:50:14

MissAdventure

I say barth, parth, and all that jazz. Or jarzz. smile

That's because you're posh.
I say bath, path and all that jazz with a short 'a'
Because I'm common.

I've never come across this in worksheets.

Lolo81 Tue 12-Jan-21 22:53:16

I googled the phrase a says ar phonetics and got some really interesting sites coming up. Apparently this is commonplace in teaching English as a foreign language, but there are dialectic differences in teaching - who knew!

GrandmaKT Tue 12-Jan-21 22:54:27

Witzend

Isn’t it more a case of dahft and rahft etc.? No actual ‘r’ sound in the middle of the word.

Yes Witzend, or I would say a long 'a' sound - Daaft, raaft, but if they go round saying darft and rarft they will sound like members of the royal family circa 1950! Nobody speaks like that really.

Callistemon Tue 12-Jan-21 22:55:23

Lolo81

I googled the phrase a says ar phonetics and got some really interesting sites coming up. Apparently this is commonplace in teaching English as a foreign language, but there are dialectic differences in teaching - who knew!

I was just about to say that - I have come across it in ESL worksheets, Lolo81

Bathsheba Tue 12-Jan-21 23:13:43

Nobody speaks like that really
Well of course people do, don’t be so daaft. I live in the south and nobody pronounces daft, path, raft, etc with a short ‘a’ as in cat, it is always, always with the long ‘a’ sound, as in park or barn. And yes, I do say Doncaaster, sorry dragonfly wink.
And I say Glaasgow as well!

Surely, GrandmaKT, you are aware of regional dialects? How can you honestly believe that ‘nobody speaks like that really’?

GrandmaKT Tue 12-Jan-21 23:18:37

Bathsheba - I am discussing the difference between the long a sound, as in park which I could accept and the 'ar' sound which is what the worksheet is telling them. E.g. the difference between 'daance' and 'darnce'

Alexa Tue 12-Jan-21 23:23:13

GrandmaKT, that is a most interesting question.

I will try to find out the answer.

Lolo81 Tue 12-Jan-21 23:25:22

Ok so based on my googling, the r part isn’t actually taught to be included in the word. The ar is a differential tool for teaching English - so that the child can understand that different sounds have different spellings.

So even with this method in use children are not being taught to put extra sounds into words as OP assumed.

Alexa Tue 12-Jan-21 23:28:34

GrandmaKT . here is an article about how teaching and local accents.

www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/posh-up/

This is a snobbish world, and it is still the case that school leavers with posher accents get better jobs.