Ok, we are out, what now?

I'm worried the only thing I'll see is a drop in our pension.we're due to retire in the next two years.

Dismayed.

But that is not a constructive idea, morethan. I was asking for ideas, not worries. What action should we take now? ANY of us, those in high places and the lowly rest of us?

Firstly, declare an amnesty on illegal immigrants and make it clear that everyone who is already working in this country is welcome, needed and should stay and can continue to access our public services. Ask that our citizens living in the EU ar extended the same privileges.

Then the government needs to sit down with EU leaders, who will now be anxious that other countries do not follow our lead, and use this to negotiate a good trading deal.

That's a starting point.

Same to you, wot There is no future in being dismayed. Put on your look-ahead hat and think what should be done next!

elegran do you mean us as individuals or us as a country

I'm afraid I haven't a clue, Elegran, so I shall sit back on this thread and wait for some positive contributions. I hope to see more than damage limitation.

Major recession for the next ten plus years, house prices plummet. Mass unemployment. They'll be no NHS soon as it will be privatised.
£50 for a GP appointment suit you?

Yep, the UK's fucked and you need to face reality.
Thank god I've already escaped now the lunatics have truly taken over the asylum.

Last one to leave, don't bother turning the lights out, there's nobody home.

Anya, We could have declared an amnesty on illegal immigrants anyway and we already have a good trading deal. I thought the idea of leaving the EU was to IMPROVE things.

Any more ideas?

Thank you Ana. You are right, now is a good moment to strike and get a start on a good deal, while the iron is hot and the EU are concerned to show the best face to all the other member states. But who will take the initiative to carry it to them, to be pro-active instead of reactive/ There is not a single politician currently who could be act like a statesman and make such a move. Not in any party.

Fear of mortgage rises seems to have already affected house prices and sales. So could make things easier for first time buyers.

But higher mortgages and fear of negative equity would also put off a first time buyer.

I don't feel very positive, I'm afraid.

I don't think there will be much change in the next year or so while negotiations are on going. However the financial markets are usually volatile at the slightest change, and will probably remain so for quite a while until a new PM is elected as I cannot see David Cameron's position being tenable. It remains to be seen how leaving will effect the person in the street. For example there will have to be renegotiated trade agreements and I suspect some European companies will make this as difficult as possible in order to deter other countries from following UK's lead, how this will effect jobs is anyone's guess. The biggest threat I feel is to the present European Union as it stands and to the smaller countries who see membership as joining the gravy train, which may now have been derailed. As someone wiser than me said "We live in interesting times"

Hope Cameron says he is going to leave when he talks now.
That's the best thing. Then the Brexiters will have to take over. They are the ones who need ideas.

Well The first thing I realise after listening to Philip Hammond is that I am not likely to see the final benefit or downside. I will be 79 in 2 weeks and the break or divorce as Elegran so aptly puts it will be a long time coming. He actually said we will still be members in2 years time, with decreasing influence. Those who thought today would bring instant change are in for a surprise except of course the financial impact on the pound.
I hope common sense prevails and the best brains available, no matter what their politics and personal views are, will work together for the transition to get the best for everyone, and no recriminations. The die is cast, we must go with it.

Whitewave I meant both. Public and private measures.

Very constructive, skullduggery - not. Shall we just all jump off Beachy Head? We have to act to make sure we survive "on our own" not declare that we are fucked and die in despair.

Lets have some can-do, please.

Sorry Elgran I'm not clever enough to know what will happen, or even predict I don't think they'll be sending anyone home though. I thought those who were here legally could stay? Imports may get more expensive but perhaps the goods we sell will be cheaper to export. Will that mean it will be more expensive to buy foreign goods here,?food stuff for example? and there'll be more jobs because our goods will be cheaper abroad. Other than that I don't know.

Well that was not a very positive suggestion for the future Skullduggery! - I don't think this is what Elegran started this thread for!

My answer is that we have to take measured steps to negotiate the withdrawal from the EU and that the EU bods need to have the political nouse to realise that our exit will have galvanised the concerns that people in the other member states have about the way the EU operates. Unfortunately they did not demonstrate that political nouse when Cameron went cap in hand to them to get some concessions immediately before the referendum and came back with virtually nothing. It was badly timed and I was very surprised that they could not see the effect this might have on public opinion in the run-up to the referendum.

We need to find ways of being good neighours but not family. It is also important that those who voted leave for non-atavistic reasons are heard in order not to fuel racist views.

Cameron has been politically illiterate in his handling of this whole issue and in holding a referendum in the first place.

I think there will be a bumpy ride to come in the medium term, and hope that the government was not so complacent that the bookies had it right, that they have not put contingency plans in place.

What I do not want to see is a lot of party political maneuvering in the wake of the vote. Better that they should just get on with their jobs rather than backbiting and point-scoring.

What we need to do now is wait and see. I'm looking forward to the ride, not for the bumps, but because I feel the excitement of a new path. It's an uncertain path to be sure but it's an adventure too.

There was talk only days ago of dissatisfaction with the EU megalith in other countries. It'll be interesting to observe what hapoens over the water in the coming months and years.

We should dispense with recriminations, pull together, maybe have an informal coalition and accept that we live in a democracy so lots of us are disappointed with votes a lot of the time. And be kind!

Cameron stand down, Boris move into no 10, Gove Into no 11, let them sort out the mess they created,

Elegran I am Anya not Ana!

Who to carry it out? Well Cameron has to lead, but I think it would look as if we're all pulling together if some from the Leave camp (not Farage) were involved too.

Yes, Luckygirl Working together for the good of the country instead of fighting one another for party advantage would get us somewhere. Accepting good ideas from the opposition and the opposition not complaining, "You pinched that from us! Unfair!" if they do, would be a start.

Well, I think the first thing we do is take a deep breath, and say "Okay, that is the way the vote has gone, and it is what the majority of the people in this country have decided. It was a VOTE" then, we have to try to get some sort of 'togetherness' organised so that we are all on the same side of getting this country back on track. The majority wanted independence, with independence comes responsibility, so we shall in future no longer be able to blame the EU for anything we dislike, although those who wanted to stay in will (because it is human nature) now blame those who voted out for whatever goes wrong, if anything. I agree with annsixty; we need the best brains for the job to give us the best opportunities available for our children and grand-children's sake. It is the future which is at stake here.

Three months.