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If slavery was too long ago to affect you..how about this ?

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paddyanne Sun 28-Jun-20 22:32:33

The EMPIRE mentality is alive and kicking in Westminster and they dont give a stuff about who gets hurt,or displaced .

In 1968 a Labour government commenced a programme, similar, in a way, to the Highland Clearances, in the Chagos Islands which is in the middle of the Indian Ocean. They forcibly evicted the population and leased the land to the U.S. government. This Labour government was voted out, in 1970, but Ted Heath and his Tories continued the evictions. By 1974 the last Chagossians were gone from the islands.
In 2006 the British High Court ruled that the evictions were illegal.
So, what has been done to correct this? On 22 May 2019, the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted a resolution reaffirming the Court’s conclusions and demanding that the United Kingdom unconditionally withdraw its administration by 22 November 2019. However, “the response of the United Kingdom to these developments has been one of outright defiance,” said the representative of Mauritius, adding that the administering Power, the U.K., has made it clear that it does not intend to comply.
Well, dear slave trade excusers, this is happening RIGHT NOW! How does your conscience sit with this? Still think the BLM are overstating their case? By the way the population of these islands was BLACK !!

GagaJo Mon 29-Jun-20 07:37:12

Not surprised at all. Disgusted and dismayed.

BlueBelle Mon 29-Jun-20 07:45:57

My country makes me ashamed more and more
My disgust seems to mean nothing and I feel despair
If I was younger I d move but where to every bloody country treats it’s indigenous inhabitants dreadfully but we have got to be the worse with our holier that thou elevated status superior outlook

Davidhs Mon 29-Jun-20 09:05:51

Chagos Islands had no resident population until around 1800 Initially using slave workers, later migrant workers, plantations were established by various companies, however they were never economically sustainable without outside resources.

Administration eventually fell to Mauritus but the islands were owned by a French company which was itself bought by UK and BIOT was created. The US wanted a secure air and naval base in the Indian Ocean in the Cold War and Diego Garcia militarized and a large airbase built.

Currently the US still want the facilities and independent Mauritius disputes ownership.

IF the US gives up Diego Garcia there is no reason that the population cannot return, BUT, they will never be self sufficient without outside help, they are just too remote to sustain tourism, schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Don’t shed too many tears for Mauritus having to support the Chagos population they receive a great deal of foreign aid from the US as well as UK, so cash is not an issue.
No doubt Chagosians will be able return to their homeland at some stage in the future if they want to, until then the politicking will continue.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 29-Jun-20 09:16:44

I’ve been following this since 1968!

A lot of the islanders used to live in Southampton, not sure where they are now.

NotSpaghetti Mon 29-Jun-20 09:19:52

There was a BBC radio programme about this not too long ago. Many people still wanted to return.

lemongrove Mon 29-Jun-20 09:26:55

Good post giving the full details davidhs I was aware of this ( from some time ago) but thanks for giving the info.
I doubt many if any present day Chagosians will want to return there.
Paddyanne writing ‘ dear slave trade excusers’ to other GNers is beyond rude.

Alexa Mon 29-Jun-20 09:35:00

Lemongrove if that is rudeness I am happy to be forced on to my back foot if that challenges me to be better informed.

Do you think grans are too feeble to be challenged? Or are you a stickler for twee language?

GrannyGravy13 Mon 29-Jun-20 09:38:04

Davidhs excellent timeline and explanation of current situation.

lemongrove Mon 29-Jun-20 09:45:32

OP’s on a thread can be done with good manners Alexa as can subsequent posts.
It was a deliberate and aggressive opening post in my view, although it didn’t surprise me.
I knew about the situation on Chagos from years ago, and it was very sad that people were moved from there.
It can’t be compared to slavery though, it was re-settlement,
However wrong that was it isn’t the same at all.

paddyanne Mon 29-Jun-20 10:04:48

There is a photograph of a group of the islandersoutside the High Court in London last years ..so YES they do want to go HOME .Add the Windrush people to this mix an dsee that the British government really couldn't care less about Black communities.Re settlement when FORCED on people is OK is it Lemongrove? So if Bojo decided he wants the area you live in and evicts you and all your relatives sending you to somewhere you have no history or knowledge of the lifestyle ...you'll be happy to do it .Because resettlement is different?

Enlighten me please ? Why in this day and age does britain even have the power to do this to people and countries thousands of miles away The Empire is long gone ,the mentality that supported it sadly not

lemongrove Mon 29-Jun-20 10:13:14

Why do you always shout Paddy ?
Where did I say it ‘was ok’ ? I said that it wasn’t slavery.
It was done in the 1960’s. Did you read the account upthread by Davidhs ?
The UK, the US and Mauritius will between themselves have to sort this out.If the islanders cannot support themselves there however, they are unlikely to do well by returning, but it would be nice if they were allowed the choice.
Now.....do you think you can discuss this without all the aggression?

Alexa Mon 29-Jun-20 10:15:44

Lemongrove wrote:

"OP’s on a thread can be done with good manners Alexa ".

But it's bad manners to lack any passion about something like slavery. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

MaizieD Mon 29-Jun-20 10:18:09

the British government really couldn't care less about Black communities.

That's where the connection with slavery comes in. It was abominable a few hundred years ago that any race thought that they had the right to radically interfere in the lives of other races, to dispossess them of their homes and send them wherever was convenient to the 'master race'. Despite the hoo haa and self congratulations over abolition of slavery, treating people like pawns in this way is still happening.

BLM isn't just about the taking of black lives, it's about how they live, too.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 29-Jun-20 10:21:01

This is not Slavery!

Slavery is very much alive in many African Countries and Arab States. Along with the trafficking of young girls and boys from Eastern Europe for the sex trade!!

MaizieD Mon 29-Jun-20 10:34:21

Let's just forget the point that Paddyanne is making and attack her manners and her inaccurate terminology instead. Far more interesting than the way that the 'ruling race' mentality still persists and affects black lives.

lemongrove Mon 29-Jun-20 10:36:09

Alexa

Lemongrove wrote:

"OP’s on a thread can be done with good manners Alexa ".

But it's bad manners to lack any passion about something like slavery. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

True.....except there is no slavery involved here.

lemongrove Mon 29-Jun-20 10:37:41

MaizieD

Let's just forget the point that Paddyanne is making and attack her manners and her inaccurate terminology instead. Far more interesting than the way that the 'ruling race' mentality still persists and affects black lives.

I think we are able to address the point and do it with a modicum of good manners to posters.

lemongrove Mon 29-Jun-20 10:38:40

.....or perhaps not.

Alexa Mon 29-Jun-20 10:39:48

But good manners might stifle passion, and often do.

lemongrove Mon 29-Jun-20 10:41:56

Only in bed Alexa wink

MerylStreep Mon 29-Jun-20 10:41:59

Slavery is alive and well operating just 2 1/2 hours by plane from the uk: in the poly tunnels in Spain.

lemongrove Mon 29-Jun-20 10:43:32

On a forum thread it’s better to talk normally than to yell in faces.
Paddy has lot of ‘passions’ mostly about how evil Westminster is.

lemongrove Mon 29-Jun-20 10:46:05

Yes, I agree Meryl I recently saw an travel documentary that highlighted the plight of African migrants used in the polytunnels and it really was slave labour, appalling conditions and treatment by the owners.

Callistemon Mon 29-Jun-20 10:50:56

I was going to say that there have been threads, or at least posts, about this before because I remember reading up about it then.
With all that us happening in the world, particularly now in Syria, Yemen and other places and with the virus hitting most of the world, I confess that it was not something I had thought about recently.

paddyanne
Shouting at people does not encourage a reasonable response, though, does it!

Of course, we mustn't forget, either, that the Scots were avid colonialists and slave traders, not just the English.