Please ensure that your children and grandchildren follow the guidelines.

what they dont realise is meeting in groups ,whether showing signs of virus or not and then taking it back home to pass on to older people.i came back from brighton on friday evening ,and the young people aqrriving for friday night clubs.bars etc .one had a COUGH and another snezzed 4 times , and i pressed myself into a door way. and glared at her...(i was wearing a mask as i was nearing the station). she said i havent got the virus i'm too young . my parting words SO YOU THINK ?? told her she should think of others first..

More scare-mongering from the Covid fascists. Lock em all up and take away their futures, these poor young people whose lives have been so utterly diminished. Nine people died of Covid yesterday NINE. I most certainly won’t be lecturing my 20 year old daughter and hope when she goes back to uni next week, she is able to experience at least a fraction of uni life without being tormented by the likes of the OP.

oh and by the way i was in worthing and came back via brighton by bus (it being cheaper). i was masked up for the bus anyway....

MaggieTulliver I'd really like to see the back of this virus, sooner rather than later, so that we can all get back to a normal life. And if that means that everyone is being asked to follow the instructions so that we can do that, then yes, why not? If a younger person gets COVID19, they stand a much better chance of a full recovery whereas an older or health compromised person will not. It's called not being selfish and only thinking of yourself.

I’ve got to be honest at this point I just don’t see how the rules are worth it.

My husband can go to work in his busy pub and nightclub. But can’t meet up with more than 6 people in the pub.
My children can go to school.
We could meet in said pub with 6 people from 6 separate households but couldn’t do so in our garden.

At this point I’m mitigating as much as I reasonably can. But these ‘rules’ are just BS.

MaggieTulliver

More scare-mongering from the Covid fascists. Lock em all up and take away their futures, these poor young people whose lives have been so utterly diminished. Nine people died of Covid yesterday NINE. I most certainly won’t be lecturing my 20 year old daughter and hope when she goes back to uni next week, she is able to experience at least a fraction of uni life without being tormented by the likes of the OP.

No one is suggesting that the young people are going to die. If they get the illness they probably won't suffer serious symptoms at the time. But there is increasing evidence that they could suffer afterwards.

Did you read the article? The interviewee is a young man of 27 who is suffering long term from the affects of this illness. He was ill for 2 weeks and got better and them the chest pains started and then the other symptoms. He has not been able to work since then. Apparently he is someone who used to be able to run 5 km 3 times per week but can no longer do that.

We don't know what problems the illness can cause long term and there is nothing wrong in warning your daughter to be careful. I assume that you will at least be doing that.

Bibbity

I’ve got to be honest at this point I just don’t see how the rules are worth it.

My husband can go to work in his busy pub and nightclub. But can’t meet up with more than 6 people in the pub.
My children can go to school.
We could meet in said pub with 6 people from 6 separate households but couldn’t do so in our garden.

At this point I’m mitigating as much as I reasonably can. But these ‘rules’ are just BS.

The rules are probably BS but we all have to take responsibility for ourselves and hope that others will do likewise.

Just off the phone with DD.

We have decided to put Christmas to one side this year as both boys are out and about and DD and we agree that the risk isn’t worth taking if the virus is rampant at Christmas.

I feel so sorry for the farmers, as who is going to need a big turkey this year?

I think that everyone can take reasonable measures. I'm exposed to a lot of large bubbles with school age children in different schools and working at a school myself but still following the rules even though, being a large household we now cannot have visitors etc.

I can meet in groups of 6 elsewhere though and I can give people personal space and wear masks.

It feels sometimes that covid measures is the new polite measure.

Another here with AC going off to uni, I want them to have a great experience and I know they will follow guidelines where possible.

It is horrible that young people are having so much blame and responsibility put on their shoulders though so... Its all exhausting and I understand why they just give up at times and why they are struggling to adjust

Bibbity

I’ve got to be honest at this point I just don’t see how the rules are worth it.

My husband can go to work in his busy pub and nightclub. But can’t meet up with more than 6 people in the pub.
My children can go to school.
We could meet in said pub with 6 people from 6 separate households but couldn’t do so in our garden.

At this point I’m mitigating as much as I reasonably can. But these ‘rules’ are just BS.

I posted in another thread this morning, and it seems quite apt here:

"I do think that people who say that they are confused by the rules, and then use that as an excuse to break them, are being a bit disingenuous. ..... Its not that 6 people are "safe" and 7 aren't. But you have to draw a line somewhere and give people as simple a rule as possible, seeing as many still can't seem to grasp that going to the pub doesn't mean that you can mix in huge groups."

You have to stay 2m from every one of the other 5 in the pub, the garden, wherever. But we're more likely to break that rule in our gardens than in a public place, hence the rule.

Its annoying, its frustrating, but its not BS.

Young people from deprived families/areas WILL suffer, never mind about immunity. If a proper diet isn't followed the weak will fall by the wayside.
How can the young build up an immunity living on crisps and the odd take-away. We've read about kids being given breakfasts at school ! What does that tell you ? No food in the house.

These are the children who should be given supplements. Imagine their futures as adults, they'll always be ailing.

Starblaze I don't think anybody is blaming young people.

The evidence is showing that they are more likely to catch the disease than was originally thought. A Public Health England diagram shows that of the cases reported in the week ending 6 September, over 3000 cases were aged 20 - 29, over 2000 cases were aged 30 -39 and the two groups 40 - 49 and 50 - 59 were each nearly 2000 cases. The next highest was the 10 - 19 year olds and the cases in the other age groups were each less than 1000.

As I wrote before they are less likely to become seriously ill and some may be unaware that they have even caught it. My point was, and still is, that they should at least be aware of the seriousness of the after effects, which could have more of an effect in their later life than a few restrictions now.

Dinahmo a lot of people around me are blaming young people

The probability of a young person getting long COVID are very small. We take all sorts of greater risks every day of our lives and many minor illnesses can have terrible consequences in some cases.

I am not dismissing the rules. I agree with Chewbacca we need to obey the rules to get back to normal, but one of the most interesting side lights COVID has exposed is just how little the majority of people, including, it seems, every member of the coabinet actually understand relative probabilities and how risky their everyday life is anyway.

Starblaze

Dinahmo a lot of people around me are blaming young people

A lot of people on GN seem to be blaming young people too! What would people do without somebody to blame, eh?

Anybody heard about those pesky 10-18 year olds who are being forced to mix in groups of 30 in poorly ventilated rooms without masks?

MOnica Bit why add to the risks we already face?

Coughs and colds are very normal this time of the year, particularly as children return to school. Are we going to treat as lepers anyone who dares to sneeze etc when out anywhere. Obviously, normal hygiene rules apply, use a tissue, cover your nose and dispose of that tissue safely. Wash hands with soap an water.

So how come children are spreading coughs and colds, if schools are so "infection secure"? If they can spread coughs and colds, they can spread Covid-19.

It's precisely because people have become so complacent that infections are once again on the rise.

Franbern

Coughs and colds are very normal this time of the year, particularly as children return to school. Are we going to treat as lepers anyone who dares to sneeze etc when out anywhere. Obviously, normal hygiene rules apply, use a tissue, cover your nose and dispose of that tissue safely. Wash hands with soap an water.

I don't think that anybody is suggesting that we;re ong t treat anyone who sneezes as lepers.

I'm sorry to say that I'm finding some of you very silly today (or ignorant) as you are not addressing the actual topic.

Have any of you read the link? or my explanations?

Some of the scientists are suggesting that covid could affect the immune system. Those of you who have auto immune diseases will know how serious they can be.

My response to Franbern should have read "that we're wrong to treat". Apologies - I'm typing in the dark to avoid insects coming in to bite me.

Why on earth are people saying they are cancelling Christmas this year. I'm not fond of the season of greed and overspending but there's nothing wrong with a quiet celebration
They only need have 6, many households are less than 6 and those over 6 need not invite any others. Can people not have a family celebration with household members on the day and meet up with others over the holiday period. No probs. If it means a granny is alone then so be it, we have to do our bit.

Thinking of the younger ones, I was queuing for the chippy the other night when a group of 6 teenagers joined. They were all over each other giggling and touching , one wore a mask, 2 wore masks over their mouths and 2 had no mask the other took his off and waved it about. After pushing and shoving they went to be served and came out thankfully in twos. I had to glower at the man behind me as he was too close. Its a nightmare going to a shop.
Yes i glower at those with no mask and who cough. It's disgusting, same as men who spit.

maggieTulliver i m with you all the way nothing I can add
Let the young get on with their lives anyone older who is worried or ill keep away from them
Every death is unique and unwanted and sad and tragic but you cannot stop the world for 9 deaths a day it’s what happens with ordinary flu