Women suffer at least 26 sexual crimes on average in their lifetime

It's a study on violence. I think choking and being pushed down the stairs are fairly serious. And actually choking and spitting are very common sexual crimes.

The survey was carried out on the internet and 22,419 women responded
This is probably not a fair representation of the whole as perhaps women who have experienced no abuse, either physical or sexual, will not have responded.

Statistically it is probably erroneous.

It may well diminish the experiences of victims as people may look at those statistics and think that they cannot possibly be true.

I thought the report was on violence experienced by women some of which was sexual but not all. I don’t think your post is an accurate reflection at all of what the report said.

suziewoozie My post was partially taking issue with ITV for their emotive and misleading headline. However, I think the report is to blame for exaggerating the scale and severity of the incidents.

You misrepresented what the report found. It’s a separate issue as to the validity of the research

GrandmaKT

suziewoozie My post was partially taking issue with ITV for their emotive and misleading headline. However, I think the report is to blame for exaggerating the scale and severity of the incidents.

Could you explain why you think exaggeration has taken place? I can't see any in the report ;it is women reporting the incidents that have taken place whether reported to authorities or not. You may not believe them but having been subjected to multiple incidents myself I can believe it is a commonplace occurrence.

All that the survey tells us is that 22,419 females have had violence against them, yes it’s 22,419 too many, but it doesn’t mean that 97% of all females have the same experience.
That’s the problem with statistics,

Women suffer at least 26 sexual crimes on average in their lifetime

If that is the headline it is erroneous and misleading. And sadly it will lead to the experiences of victims of violence not being taken seriously.

The report is about ALL violence, not just sexual violence. How can the authors of said report ask ALL women in the UK about their experiences? The answer is that they can't. I can assure you that if I added it up I have been subjected to far more incidents that 26. When I was a young woman living and working in West London hardly a day went by when I wasn't groped on public transport, or had lewd comments shouted at me. I have been seriously sexually assaulted at work, spat at by irate customers, had items thrown at me by said customers, the list goes on. I am sure that some won't believe me; well that is your choice.

It makes people very uncomfortable to hear womens experiences.

I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying the report is wrong? How can you know? If so it means we are to dismiss all of it as false and therefore women should just put up and shut up?
Are some people saying that such numbers trivialise violence against women and therefore extreme violence is the only kind to know about? I'm sure many women eventually seriously assaulted by their partners were subjected to very trivial incidents prior to this?
All my life I have considered things inflicted on me by men since I was a child as trivial- now I see as I get older that they all added up and have seriously affected all my relationships with men.
I have never counted them, but double figures is the reality for me.

I don’t know whether or not it is accurate but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was. Depends on how you classify ‘violence’ I suppose. If it covers things like groping, unwanted kissing, unwanted stroking etc then it probably is correct ,at least in my limited experience. If you are looking at more overt life threatening violence, probably not.

I feel sorry for whoever got all mine, then.
I can really only think of one, which was certainly very unpleasant.

But that’s not counting the odd grope, which although not nice, I wouldn’t count as ‘violence’.

It’s an absolute disgrace that this thread with its completely wrong ( not just misleading) title was ever started. And that’s compounded by the fact that some posters clearly haven’t bothered to read the report before posting. Violence of all kinds against women is a serious subject - not treating the subject with respect is a form of misogyny.

Courtesy of WHO;
"the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."
I would suggest that groping is defined that way.

I would like to see comparative figures for men before I reach any conclusions on this report.

Violent attacks on men and boys are just as important as attacks on women. The nature of the attacks may be different but violence is violence, however it is said and done.

A report has come out saying that the 22k+ women who answered this survey have been subject to remarkably high levels of violence. This thread has:

Questioned the methodology
Questioned whether what they have reported is really violence
Made sad comments about who "got your share"
Said that men are subjected to violence as well.

Just read the report, which incidentally says that it hopes the results will help prevent victim blaming. Good luck to them with that.

suziewoozie

It’s an absolute disgrace that this thread with its completely wrong ( not just misleading) title was ever started. And that’s compounded by the fact that some posters clearly haven’t bothered to read the report before posting. Violence of all kinds against women is a serious subject - not treating the subject with respect is a form of misogyny.

The thread title is the title of the ITV article suziewoozie, and that is exactly my point - it is wrong and misleading!

Maggiemaybe sums it up very succinctly.

Again discussing violence against women and Male violence makes people very uncomfortable.

A quick Google shows umpteen studies which come under the heading of violence towards men, some concentrate on violence in relationships, women to men, some studies have taken place in the USA or Germany some in other countries, some concentrate on violence in LGBT relationships. If you look it's there.

Well, I have read the report. Whatever the report says, it comes over as being primarily about sexual violence. We have also not seen the press release that went out with its launch and how that read.

I still cannot see how this report can be fully and properly interpreted unless we have comparable figures for men's experience of violence.

I am like Witzend, I feel sorry for whoever got the attacks I should have got.

Monica, there are, of course studies of violence towards men and should be more - but this study is about women.

It can obviously be interpreted in the context it was planned. In the context of women.

As you and I have both read it I think we can agree that the point of it was to uncover unreported and trivialised harms done to women and girls.

I didn't come away with the idea that it was primarily about sexual abuse (and it apparently used ACE as part of the questionnaire so plenty about childhood too) - but clearly it does cover sexual abuse alongside other abuses.

The study is titled ‘I thought it was just a part of life’ - I think that's the point the study results draw out.

It also is clear that this is a self-selected group of women and has a page on the demographics and gathering of data.
It says the over 60s are under represented and there's a slight leaning towards women with higher than average educational attainment.

Personally I'd like to see this in context of abuses more generally. But that's another study.

What is this need to discredit the report? Do you not believe it? Do you have an actual scientific critique of its methodology or conclusions? Do you think its something we should not be talking about?

Do you not see how dismissive and disrespectful the comments about others getting your share of attacks are?

It's early on a Sunday morning, but even with my brain only half working I can see that there is a problem with the number of women who are attacked never reporting their attackers, or the fact that such a high proportion of people are attacked before their 18th birthday. Whatever the absolute numbers are, there are problems to address.

Cross post NotSpaghetti