Queens speech

It is just appalling - how can the UK be called Democratic anymore? The right to protest was so so deeply ingrained into our very British fibre.

Unless the IDs are free they will become a privilege for the poor.

If you can’t afford food you can’t afford an ID

oh but everyone has a Driving Licence, don't they !!! (not)

I think that we can safely assume that the introduction of IDs is nothing to do with voter fraud.

Election Maps UK
@ElectionMapsUK
At the 2019 General Election, out of 47,587,254 people voting, there was only 1 conviction of voter fraud (+0 cautions).

That represents 0.0000021014% of votes.

Kali2

oh but everyone has a Driving Licence, don't they !!! (not)

If that is what is being said than the ignorance is astounding

Kali2

It is just appalling - how can the UK be called Democratic anymore? The right to protest was so so deeply ingrained into our very British fibre.

We need to stop pretending that the UK is democratic. We are ruled by a minority. As far as I know we are now the only undemocratic country in Europe. All the others use some form of democratic proportional voting system.

Even the devolved governments in Wales and Scotland are more democratically elected than the UK government.

Priti Patel has said she wants all elections to be FPTP - so another nail in the UK's coffin.

Johnson speech.

Liar!

24 July 2019

“I am announcing now – on the steps of Downing Street – that we will fix the crisis in social care once and for all with a clear plan we have prepared”

I only watched the pageantry bit up until the Queen started speaking because I had to go and prepare lunch. And I knew I could catch up on the content later.

Irrespective of the content, is all this posing about in lace and ermine really the way to run a country?

Alegrias1

I only watched the pageantry bit up until the Queen started speaking because I had to go and prepare lunch. And I knew I could catch up on the content later.

Irrespective of the content, is all this posing about in lace and ermine really the way to run a country?

No of course not.

And polititions have to swear allegiance to the queen Not our country or its people or democracy

Why should they have to do that they might feel that they do so they would be lying.

Boris Johnson did lie to the Queen when he illegally prorogued parliament - so much for his oath, but then as someone said at the time, "he has lied to every other woman in his life, so why should we be surprised if he lies to the Queen?"

Voter fraud

One of the things you need proof of ID for?

Good heavens, I need ID to collect shopping at Click & Collect so why on earth should I be allowed to vote without it?

FPTP- ?

Urmstongran

Good heavens, I need ID to collect shopping at Click & Collect so why on earth should I be allowed to vote without it?

Because Click and Collect is not a basic human right?

Why is ID requirement being introduced?

Gosh, some of you are embracing illiberal authoritarianism with great gusto, aren't you.

We don't need voter ID. In-person voter fraud is so negligible as to be non-existent. If voter ID is unnecessary then introducing can only mean an attempt at voter suppression.

I'm particularly surprised that you approve it, GG13. I thought you said you were a libertarian?

I think it's to make life more difficult for the poorer people; those who don't usually vote; ethnic minorities who might find it more difficult.

In Texas the Republicans are trying to bring in a law to prevent postal voting.

Any thing to make it more difficult for people.

Some friends were telling at the referendum (in Petersfield) where some people came, had never voted before, were aggressive and suggested that their vote would be changed from Leave to Remain as soon as they left the hall.

MaizieD

Gosh, some of you are embracing illiberal authoritarianism with great gusto, aren't you.

We don't need voter ID. In-person voter fraud is so negligible as to be non-existent. If voter ID is unnecessary then introducing can only mean an attempt at voter suppression.

I'm particularly surprised that you approve it, GG13. I thought you said you were a libertarian?

Really, MaizieD you were advocating for only politically aware folks to be able to vote a few days ago?

I/anyone can be having a conversation in a pub/restaurant/cafe, telling someone that I am not going to bother to vote, this conversation is overheard and they know/find out my name and address, rock up to the polling station pretend to be me and hey presto?

I think we're getting a bit paranoid here....

Why would voter ID make life difficult for poorer people ?

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Gosh, some of you are embracing illiberal authoritarianism with great gusto, aren't you.

We don't need voter ID. In-person voter fraud is so negligible as to be non-existent. If voter ID is unnecessary then introducing can only mean an attempt at voter suppression.

I'm particularly surprised that you approve it, GG13. I thought you said you were a libertarian?

Really, MaizieD you were advocating for only politically aware folks to be able to vote a few days ago?

I/anyone can be having a conversation in a pub/restaurant/cafe, telling someone that I am not going to bother to vote, this conversation is overheard and they know/find out my name and address, rock up to the polling station pretend to be me and hey presto?

And how often has this proven to have happened ?

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Come on, this is about voter suppression and right out of Trumps book and you know it.

I don't see the fuss about voters needing to show some form of ID. Didn't Blair want to bring in ID cards? I had no objection to that either.

Any adult who doesn't have a passport or driving licence needs to be provided with an ID card free of charge. What's the problem. We all managed to get given a covid vaccine card it shouldn't be too difficult.