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David Davis is worried

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-Oct-21 10:53:10

"Be warned: this Govt is robbing you of your right to challenge the state"
Ouster clauses would put them above the law & more akin to dictatorship than democracy.

The first tory to come out of the woodwork over the threat to our democracy.

[Title edited by GNHQ]

Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-Oct-21 10:54:25

Sorry that should have been Davis, not Davies. Two different people.

Kali2 Tue 26-Oct-21 11:37:25

Not a fan of the man - but good for him. What is happening here is VERY serious- and it is good to see some Conservatives rising against it- and other things like sewage and attack on NHS, etc.

Katie59 Tue 26-Oct-21 12:43:08

David Davies was at the forefront of the initial Brexit Campaign, it was plain that he was not to be trusted to keep his word. He is so extreme that even the hard line negotiation team dropped him, what he thinks now is irrelevant because the EU are running the show and the government is rowing back on the policies that havn’t worked.

lemongrove Tue 26-Oct-21 12:46:07

I ceased to take any notice of Davis when he kept saying that negotiations over Brexit would be ‘a walk in the park’.
Idiotic of him, as it was obvious that although doable it would take time and a lot of effort to untie ourselves from 40 odd years of being in the bloc.

PippaZ Tue 26-Oct-21 12:55:12

For some time I have felt that this is a man with a conscience who has been pushed to the edge of what he determines is right, or in this case wrong.

This is from the Guardian Article he has written.

The government is also looking to abolish what are known as Cart judicial reviews. These refer to when the high court can – in exceptional circumstances – review decisions where permission to appeal has been refused. In short, they are used to correct fundamental and dangerous errors of law.

Take, for instance, the case of a woman who had been trafficked to the UK to be a maid in a diplomatic household. She had her asylum claim dismissed and was denied the right to appeal that decision. She brought a Cart judicial review, which ultimately led to a U-turn and her appeal was allowed. After that, the Home Office conceded and the woman was granted refugee status.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/25/judicial-review-peoples-right-fight-government-destroy-courts-undemocratic

Kali2 Tue 26-Oct-21 13:07:27

We should all be seriously worried about this, and any attempts to manipulate, divert and silence our independent Judges.

Elegran Tue 26-Oct-21 13:51:29

David Davies doesn't need to be squeaky-clean to be right once in a while - as in when he says - "Be warned: this Govt is robbing you of your right to challenge the state"

Bring back Lady Hale.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-Oct-21 15:25:32

Staying with Tory MPs.

Owen Paterson had been suspended for 30 days for corruption.

He took 3 times his salary for “paid advocacy”Broke lobby rules

On top, of all that the little unpleasant man tried to smear the commissioner who was investigating him.

What a charmer

Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-Oct-21 15:27:38

Blimey he took nearly £100000. Dear oh dear

Kali2 Tue 26-Oct-21 15:33:13

Mrs Thatcher was a very strong advocate and got huge sums of money from PMI, Phillip Morris Tobacco- + plenty of holidays in Switzerland!

MayBee70 Tue 26-Oct-21 16:45:38

Kali2

Mrs Thatcher was a very strong advocate and got huge sums of money from PMI, Phillip Morris Tobacco- + plenty of holidays in Switzerland!

I’ve gone on about Thatchers links with the tobacco industry for years. Selling cigarettes to third world countries. It somehow seemed to go above people’s heads at the time and has been largely forgotten about.

MayBee70 Tue 26-Oct-21 16:49:09

David Davis is another MP that I wrote to recently. I think it was to thank him for pointing out the benefits of taking VitD. He has a scientific background I believe.

growstuff Tue 26-Oct-21 17:00:14

David Davis is quite an interesting character. He comes from a very modest background and is one of the few Conservative MPs who has genuinely worked his way up. He doesn't belong to the inner Eton/Oxbridge circle. He has always had an interest in civil liberties and forced a by-election on the issue. I don't agree with his views because his views are libertarian rather than rooted in parliamentary democracy, but I think his smearing by some of the inner circle of the Conservative Party as an intellectual lightweight is unfair.

MayBee70 Tue 26-Oct-21 18:48:00

He did a very interesting web chat with DrJohn last year.

rubysong Tue 26-Oct-21 21:22:45

A shame he wasn't chosen instead of Cameron.

MaizieD Tue 26-Oct-21 21:47:23

We discussed a lot of this a couple of weeks ago, didn't we, when someone posted a link to Jonathon Freedland's Guardian article?

It's worth another read...
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/boris-johnson-rigging-the-system-power-courts-protest-elections

MaizieD Tue 26-Oct-21 21:54:03

I should add that it is not altogether certain whether or not judicial review will be curtailed, but, if it is, until then, the Good Law Project is storming ahead with using Judicial review to hold the government to account over its crony contracts during the ongoing pandemic and is now about to bring one about the legality or illegality of government business being conducted on Whatsapp or similar platforms, resulting in no records being kept for posterity.

PippaZ Tue 26-Oct-21 22:46:47

MaizieD

We discussed a lot of this a couple of weeks ago, didn't we, when someone posted a link to Jonathon Freedland's Guardian article?

It's worth another read...
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/boris-johnson-rigging-the-system-power-courts-protest-elections

It's just so blatant. My first thought is to wonder why everyone doesn't see it. My second is that "everyone" never does. My third is to feel very depressed that Johnson is getting away with so much.

What difference will it make that the Speaker has told them to follow parliamentary rules - they won't. On here, we read people saying that it's okay for him to trash our democracy. It's happened before; "everyone" let it happen then. I do not doubt that unless we fight it, it will happen again.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-Oct-21 05:09:43

Report shows that 2020 was the worse year for government secrecy. Only 40% of FOI were granted and many of those only partial.

They are getting away with murder.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-Oct-21 05:09:43

Report shows that 2020 was the worse year for government secrecy. Only 40% of FOI were granted and many of those only partial.

They are getting away with murder.

Katie59 Wed 27-Oct-21 08:51:30

If we are talking about eroding democracy or civil liberties it’s Starmer that should be lambasting the government about, any comments by Davis are just going to be brushed aside.

Kali2 Wed 27-Oct-21 09:02:51

Many Tories are really worried about what is happening and Johnson's total ineptitude. They are not quite ready to express this loudly, they are talking behind his back - but when they do turn, and I have said it before I know- it will be fast and furious.

MayBee70 Wed 27-Oct-21 10:33:18

Problem is it will just be a change of PM. We know how ruthless they are at times like this.

Kali2 Wed 27-Oct-21 10:40:04

Totally, the ERG are plotting and will want to appoint one of their own. Will the 'good' conservative block them? Perhaps too much to hope for.

And once again, all the non Tories have to get their act together- and Labour has to unite - hold their nose, compromise, ally- because the alternative is more of the above, more destruction, the end of the NHS, and so much more.

If Tories win the next election, it will be the Labour 'left' that will be responsible- absolutely and totally.