Why is this happening?

I’m not sure if it’s worse now, or whether we just have more access to the information.

When I was 12...I was pushed to the ground by two lads bigger than me, in some woods near my house. ‘Luckily’, for want of a better expression...they only kicked me a few times. They dislocated my jaw, but that was it.

I had a friend who ran off to get help, and there was a Cub Scout leader nearby with Cubs. Maybe my attackers were frightened off by him.

Unfortunately for them...I knew them. I don’t remember involving the police. My dad went round to see their parents. One of the boys had such a severe beating from his father, my father had to stop him. I think he ( the boy’s father), was embarrassed he’d attacked a girl.

This was 50 years ago.

Kalu

Calistemon

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I hope this has worked.

Good grief, the equaliser!!WTF !
This idiot should not be allowed a voice as he has not one iota what he is talking about. Sadly, not any other male present felt moved to dispute his stance. Says it all really.

Unbelievable, isn't he!!

His message seems to be that women really should know their place otherwise men will have to make sure they do, even if that means violence.

DH said he heard something this morning where porn may well be linked to the increase in murders of women by young men.

I live in a rural town, where gangs of teenagers have become the norm. My grandson aged 14 was recently surrounded by a gang of boys, who pushed him to the ground and stole his bike. He knew their names, and that one is known to carry a knife. This attack was incited by a girl on tik tok.
Police seem to be unable to stop this gang culture until it escalates.
Social media has given them the opportunity to cause trouble remotely and organise themselves very quickly.
My heart goes out to the murdered victims and their families.
Jen and Steve Chapple so recently lost to a knife attack, leaving their two little boys, who were asleep upstairs.

They do it because they have too many “rights” and not enough “responsibility”, they know they can get away with it.
I’m sure porn probably does make sex crimes worse, serious and violent crime is made much worse by drugs.

What are we going to do about it - nothing.

Katie59

Here is the trend for 2020 from ONS

The homicide rate was 11.7 per million population, with the rate for males (17 per million population) almost three times that for females (6 per million population); this is a higher difference than previous years because of a 20% increase in the number of male victims, from 422 to 506, and a 16% decrease in the number of female victims, from 225 to 188.

Far too many
All we can do is protect ourselves as best we can. Because nobody else is going to

You are correct in that any murders (homicides) are far two many, one murder is far to many.

Having said that the trend (statista.com) for the past 2 decades has consistently shown a drop in murders, except for the occasional blip. 2002/03 shows 1047 murders and 2020/21 shows 600 murders alongside an increased population year on year.

What we should be pushing for is stronger sentences whereby murderers don't receive a soft sentence, then let off at half time, in some cases to carry out further murders.

I have just listened to an account of the murder of a little girl of twelve, Ava White. Attacked and murdered in Liverpool where she went to see the Christmas lights with her friends, by a gang of four boys, thirteen to fifteen.
This has to start with the parents.Whatever happened to 'you never hit a girl, no matter what, never ever' and however hard schools try, parents have to enforce it but simply can't be bothered.

The young girl of 12 was stabbed to death. Young lads arrested. What has happened that makes youngsters stab a 12 yr old girl? The awful thing is that it’s commonplace now. Murders, rapes, violent assaults over nothing.

Although prison sentences are necessary, I know from my past work that prison doesn’t work. Longer sentences don’t work, anymore than the death penalty would. In the moment the perpetrator doesn’t even think about the consequences. It’s deeper than that but nobody seems to have the answer.

Male violence is undoubtedly a huge problem. It doesn't help when people get defensive about it. The number of women killed by men each year is staggering and it’s often by men known to them because they feel rejected or ‘disrespected.’ It’s pathetic and women & girls deserve better.

Murders, rapes, violent assaults over nothing
The murder in Somerset of a young couple, parents of two small children, was apparently about parking spaces.

I don't know that punitive sentences don't work. They may not have any effect on the perpetrator but they do prevent others from taking that step too far. I saw it at school; the people on the fringe of the miscreant group, who saw the consequences and the punishment meted out and made a conscious decision not to follow their example.
The parents of the perpetrators, technically children, need to be in the dock with them and charged with neglect. There is a need for a modern version of Reform school, with these children removed from their damaging environment.
And as for being 'disrespected' , a common excuse, what is their in these people to respect?

Weak or no sentences and do-Gooders making excuses for them means this will continue. When I was growing up in the 60’s/70’s this kind of thing didn’t happen on the scale it does today. If it did, it was front page news, on the TV and talked about for a long time. Now, it’s tomorrow’s chip paper and quickly forgotten. Knife crime just didn’t happen then. Now, it’s a brave woman who ventures out during dark hours,

Drink, drugs and no respect for the police or anybody anymore.

Dare I suggest, loss of family life? I am of an age, where I can remember how we lived , as a family unit,, o.k married, but not all married,, still a family life...

perhaps there is no single answer,, but when did it start to fall apart..

as a child I can recall one incident where a young girl was killed by a paedophile.. and news was reported!

who remembers the News of the World,, the Daily Mail has similarities..

and the so called NEWS! from all of the media..

murders, killing of people, drugs, climate change,, virus,
and now some of the media,, not content with pouring all of that out, oh, I forgot to mention racism,,

all of this the media still pouring out! the latest I heard the threat of an asteroid hitting the earth very soon.

all of these NEWS items prefaced with the word "MAY"

well I am a Christian, so I do know what the Good News is.

Slightly off topic but relevant. With modern technology and science, used by brilliant people, more people are now being convicted of serious crimes than ever before. Murderers from 20, 30 and 40 years ago are now being found and convicted. It's not all doom and gloom. Our police and forensic scientists are the best in the world.

Its a huge topic with a lot of deep issues. Women have been 'less valuable' for centuries. I think it's helpful to report these crimes openly as it brings a lot of awareness around what it happening, although it is difficult to be constantly faced with these facts. There is access to porn for boys of age 9 and younger! Very inappropriate and disturbing to a young mind. A friend told me her 10 year old son came home and said that his friends big brother had shown him. The message is that women are (worthless) sexual objects, men can get what they want and if they can't they can use force.

Women are now, finally, calling out sexual harassment, domestic abuse ,rape etc. Whilst very few of these boys and men will go on to murder it does let them know that people are becoming more aware and that they can't get away with these crimes quite as easily as in the past. Not to be sexist, I add that decent men are equally perturbed. People say why should the woman have to be the one to make change but I feel all young girls should be going to self defence type classes, assertiveness classes etc. A (young) womens body language can say a lot. Whilst a mother doesn't want to destroy the innocence of her kids, she needs to prepare her children for the world they live in.. boys and girls.

well I am a Christian......... exactly polnan. It certainly helps doesn’t it.

A group of men tried to abduct me in 1967, age 7. I was walking round the shops for my mum, about 100 yards. She used to wait for me to come back, to make sure I got across the road safely. She would have seen the car speed off, as I ran away.

Years later...we learned there had been a significant paedophile ring working in our town at that time. Frightening. We also had very low level knife crime. Not like today, although my husband’s cousins in London saw it in the seventies.

I do generally believe the fabric of the family has been lost, with so many working mothers wanting it all. Plus it’s easier to get out of a marriage perhaps, than 50 years ago.

Children just seem to be left to bring themselves up in so many situations, and are therefore so vulnerable to be either the victims, or perpetrators of crime.

Anniebach

Not especially young women, so many young boys are being stabbed

Please don't do 'whataboutery'. Violence against women is constant and seems to be getting worse and we really don't need to dilute the importance by saying, yes but men too... And who is doing these crimes (both against women and young men)? It isn't women.

polnan

Dare I suggest, loss of family life? I am of an age, where I can remember how we lived , as a family unit,, o.k married, but not all married,, still a family life...

perhaps there is no single answer,, but when did it start to fall apart..

as a child I can recall one incident where a young girl was killed by a paedophile.. and news was reported!

who remembers the News of the World,, the Daily Mail has similarities..

and the so called NEWS! from all of the media..

murders, killing of people, drugs, climate change,, virus,
and now some of the media,, not content with pouring all of that out, oh, I forgot to mention racism,,

all of this the media still pouring out! the latest I heard the threat of an asteroid hitting the earth very soon.

all of these NEWS items prefaced with the word "MAY"

well I am a Christian, so I do know what the Good News is.

Doo you not think these female victims of male crime also have a family life?
Not sure what being a Christian has got to do with it. If it helps you to feel protected when you're walking alone at night in a dark place then fine but otherwise, I'd say it's totally irrelevant.

Men are the perpetrators of these crimes and its womens fault for wanting a job.

Nick Fletcher is an utter tosser. On the other hand he's (sadly) not the first to decide that male crime/bad behaviour is all the fault of women. Goes right back to Adam and the apple. I mean, FFS, he could have just said NO.

not sure what being a Christian has got to do with it

We know this life is never going to be perfect, whatever we do. So we take solace in that. This is only to answer your question paperbackwriter....not an attempt to derail the thread.

Hope you didn’t mind polnan.

Just from my own experience, unfortunately. My daughter was harassed and attacked by guy she barely knew. Police hopeless, misogynistic, bullying (“You’re not so sweet and innocent” she was actually told-though she was totally blameless!). Useless court, seven previous convictions for similar, out on bail when my dtr attacked. Court gave suspended sentence AGAIN after social work/mental health reports. Living in social housing now and on disability benefits my dtr can’t get despite her trauma. Still makes abusive phone calls/turns up at the end of her road to stare at her despite injunction. Police hardly bothered to take a report let alone arrest. Abuse against women? Permitted in society by a poorly performing police force ( despite the on trend messaging), overburdened CPS and out of date, and ‘soft’ court system/judiciary. I don’t see change coming any time soon despite all the posing by politicians, including our Priti useless Home Secretary.

"I do generally believe the fabric of the family has been lost, with so many working mothers wanting it all. Plus it’s easier to get out of a marriage perhaps, than 50 years ago."

Are you seriously suggesting that the rise in crime is women's fault for daring to have careers? It's not about 'wanting it all' - it's about affording to live. Does anyone say a working man is 'wanting it all'? Can we PLEASE stop blaming women?

I am so sorry Amalegra

I can see where Nick Fletcher is coming from. It used to be women were the weaker sex and it was shameful for a man to hit a woman. In striking for equality I think there is now an over emphasis of positive, strong, in-charge females on TV whilst at the same time men are more ofen portrayed as selfish, weak, immoral, criminal. Give that message to the generation brought up with minimal discipline and I'm not surprised that male voilence is spilling over onto women, afterall men have always been violent. Equality it seems.