Labour and Lib-Dems sign a non-aggression pact

Long overdue

Excellent news indeed! Thanks Whitewave. Why is the FT first with the news, I wonder (or is this `a different FT?)

No it is the Financial Times.

Now that sounds productive

Ah, the old LibLab Pact. There’s nowt new under the sun.

What a relief for the majority of voters who never vote Tory though.

This pact will mean that the vote won’t be split in key seats and we have a chance of getting rid of the biggest liar in British political history, the most incompetent government in British history and the opportunity to get our democracy back on a firmer footing.

Germanshepherdsmum

Ah, the old LibLab Pact. There’s nowt new under the sun.

Brilliant- bravo.

It does reduce the choice for voters, though. Surely that's not good for democracy.

Maybe we need more Monster Raving Loony candidates - at least we'd understand when they live up to their name!

Don’t need anything new well unless you count being honest as new
Nothing ever could be worse than what’s been going on the last 10 years

Good news.

Septimia

It does reduce the choice for voters, though. Surely that's not good for democracy.

Maybe we need more Monster Raving Loony candidates - at least we'd understand when they live up to their name!

How do you know it reduces the choice for voters?

I haven't seen any details of this 'pact', but what people seemed to be suggesting (and what Starmer hinted at in an interview recently) was that in constituencies where one or the other of the parties was most likely to beat the tory candidate the party least likely to beat them would stand a candidate but go very low profile on campaigning. The choice would still be there.

Others may have a more up to date understanding...

Well that sounds very much like depriving people of a real choice Maizie.

Germanshepherdsmum

Well that sounds very much like depriving people of a real choice Maizie.

No, we can still choose where to cast our vote.

Personally, I have no time at all for the Lib Dems, but am prepared to risk having them in, if it gets rid of Johnson. I find Tory policies abhorrent on the whole, but much more than that is my genuine concern for the stability of the UK, and for democracy as a whole, under this particular government.

When people can't trust the government not to lie, or the police to be competent, or the RF not to cover up (or buy their way out of) scandals, the time is ripe for a charismatic but dangerous person to come forward and take us all somewhere very dangerous.

Germanshepherdsmum

Well that sounds very much like depriving people of a real choice Maizie.

The majority of the British voter has been deprived of their centre left government of choice for past decade.

Starmer can't be very confident that he could win an election then. Sounds like desperation to me.

Couldn't agree more Maudi. I don't dislike Starmer but just look at the ragbag he's surrounded by. I can't imagine one of them in government.

I’m in a marginal seat so I’m very pleased they have done this. We have a new Tory MP who’s a sheep, having had very good and locally active Lib Dem MPS in the past. It goes against the rain, but if we Labour supporters put our votes to the Lib Dems Ms Sheep will go, which will be excellent news for the constituency.

The rain (of which there is plenty) and the grain, sorry about that!

Starmer has a huge hurdle to climb after the 2019 debacle, and it won’t be easy.

This is a rational choice.

Rational for both Labour and the Lib Dems I’d say Whitewavemark2. There aren’t many seats where they are in a head to head with each other.

Thank goodness - we might stand a chance of a real change of govt.

Be careful what you wish for. Can anyone imagine the likes of Angela Rayner representing the country on the world stage?

Germanshepherdsmum

Be careful what you wish for. Can anyone imagine the likes of Angela Rayner representing the country on the world stage?

Why do you think that she isn’t suitable?

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

Well that sounds very much like depriving people of a real choice Maizie.

The majority of the British voter has been deprived of their centre left government of choice for past decade.

Do you really think the majority of the British public are centre left, not sure as Corbyn would have been in power, not Johnson if that was the case. Even red areas couldn’t stomach the thoughts of Labour with Corbyn in charge. Still now it’s Starmer, who knows. A local by election today, bet with my daughter Labour will get back in, at the moment a Conservative.