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Who has been the UK's worst PM?

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GagaJo Thu 11-Aug-22 12:21:36

It's widely held that Trump is the worst President the US has ever had.

Who do we think is the UK's worst Prime Minister?

It's very easy to jump, and say Johnson, but is he the worst?

MawtheMerrier Sat 03-Sep-22 20:18:23

I think Neville Chamberlain was pretty bad if he'd had his way we'd have appeased Hitler and found ourselves a satellite nation of Nazi Germany - TG he did not last long. Anthony Eden likewise, massive cock up over Suez.
There have been some stinkers - Boris has followed in some pretty dire footsteps.

Callistemon21 Sat 03-Sep-22 20:55:35

I think I might agree, although for someone who had been an economics lecturer the 'pound in your pocket' quote is a bit odd

Platitudes for the masses during a time of financial crisis when the balance of payments in the UK was in trouble.

tickingbird Sat 03-Sep-22 23:07:53

It’s not all about the EU Casdon and some things just can’t be rectified.

Casdon Sun 04-Sep-22 07:33:15

Can you explain what you mean please tickingbird?

MaizieD Sun 04-Sep-22 07:58:58

Casdon

Can you explain what you mean please tickingbird?

I think it's Iraq....

Iraq trumps every single one of the current incumbent's multiple enormities...

MerylStreep Sun 04-Sep-22 08:04:49

I truly believe the majority of people don’t realise the full ramifications of that decision.

MaizieD Sun 04-Sep-22 09:20:56

MerylStreep

I truly believe the majority of people don’t realise the full ramifications of that decision.

Do enlighten us, then.

tickingbird Sun 04-Sep-22 10:06:54

Iraq trumps every single one of the current incumbent's multiple enormities...

Well yes, it does.

Apart from the glaringly obvious fact that the decision to invade was predicated on a lie, the ramifications were horrific. The loss of life of our servicemen plus the life changing injuries all because of Blair’s vanity project are far, far worse than anything Johnson has done. The removal of Saddam and the power vacuum that followed led to the birth of Isis and the blood letting and horrors visited upon the people of that region cannot be forgotten. He’s never been held accountable for his actions, has lied repeatedly and has gone on to make millions, including advising some very dodgy people with dreadful human rights records.

Yes, without a doubt Tony Blair and they aren’t my only reasons. I loathe the man and I was one of the voters celebrating to “Things can only get better” belting out from speakers when he won the election.

Casdon Sun 04-Sep-22 10:18:41

The problem I have with Blair being personally blamed for the UK’s involvement in the Iraq war is twofold.
He made a decision based on an assumption that Iraq held weapons of mass destruction, I think any British PM in those circumstances would have done the same thing, there’s absolutely no doubt that Johnson would have. Hindsight is a wonderful thing of course, and we know now that he was wrong. Should he have rejected the call from the USA to support the war?
If the war had not happened there would still be a war in the Middle East, and a new superpower would be emerging. ISIS was the consequence of the war, but the alternative of taking no action could have been much more serious.
What I find odd is that all the good initiatives that happened under Blair’s leadership have been forgotten in the moral outrage about the Iraq war - voters just jump on a media led bandwagon rather than think through the big picture for themselves.

tickingbird Sun 04-Sep-22 10:43:40

I have thought it through for myself - nothing to do with any media led bandwagon. The bigger picture is horrific.

He also opened the floodgates to migration into this country for another of his vanity projects - without any mandate to do so. No consultation with the electorate. I believe the phrase used by one of his cohorts was “we wanted to rub the right’s nose in it”. Communities in parts of the UK were changed forever. This, in part, led to the Brexit vote. Although nothing to do with the EU many people mistakenly believed it was. It’s not on to just label all these people racist.

I think Owen Jones hit the right note when he wrote two days after the referendum, that the Brexit vote was the biggest “ up yours” by the forgotten people of the UK to the metropolitan elite.

Now I’m not going to get into any debate in Brexit but I know many people voted the way they did for the wrong reasons and a major reason was they felt they weren’t being listened to. This can all be traced back to Blair and, in my opinion, he was the catalyst for most of the problems in the UK today.

So yes, the OP asked who we believed was the worst PM and I vote for Tony Blair.

I don’t intend to debate or argue because it’s a strongly held belief and I know it’s a belief shared by many.

Have a good day.

Dinahmo Sun 04-Sep-22 11:07:06

tickingbird - not arguing - just to let you know that many people believe that Thatcher was the start of the UK's misfortunes.

Casdon Sun 04-Sep-22 11:37:34

I’m not arguing with you either tickingbird, believe whatever you like of course - I just wanted you to explain what your reasoning was. It’s never helpful to a debate when people give one line answers.

biglouis Tue 06-Sep-22 14:46:20

Blair without a shadow of a doubt. Not only because he was a war monger but because he opened this country up to the idea of unfettered immigration.

No one ever asked me (or anyone else) if we wanted to vote for a multi cultural society.

Fleurpepper Tue 06-Sep-22 16:07:37

Blimey- have you studied the history of the Great Britain? Have you done your DNA test?

Pure Anglo-Saxon did you say, perhaps. So German and Dutch!

MaizieD Tue 06-Sep-22 18:17:02

biglouis

Blair without a shadow of a doubt. Not only because he was a war monger but because he opened this country up to the idea of unfettered immigration.

No one ever asked me (or anyone else) if we wanted to vote for a multi cultural society.

I expect you strongly disapprove of the British Empire, then, biglouis. All those millions upon millions of people in other countries who were told they were British...

Limcha Wed 07-Sep-22 11:59:11

@MaizeD

Of course biglouis wouldn’t have a problem with colonialism. The same colonialism that biglouis and others in imperialist nations are still thriving on. They don’t mind taking from the rest of the world, but God forbid the natives of said stolen lands with stolen resources immigrate to the nations that took from their homelands smh.

varian Wed 07-Sep-22 19:08:55

Johnson was the most blatant liar, corrupt and incompetent. He did a huge amount of damage.

However Margaret Thatcher, because she was competent, has inflicted far far more damage to our country.

Forty years on the chickens have come home to roost - selling off social housing at a knockdown price whilst prohibiting councils from using the proceeds to build more.. Selling off the "family silver" - privitising energy, water, railways etc and squandering the proceeds of the North Sea Oil bonanza on decimating British industry in a war with trades unions.

She was inherently immoral and corrupted the language. It makes me sick when I hear her speech on the steps of Downing Street "where there is discord may we bring harmony etc etc"

Looking back Thatcher's utterences were the start of "alternative facts", and the political polarisation which has beset us since the 1980s.

Oldnproud Sat 01-Oct-22 08:03:00

I'm changing my previous answer.

Now, it's definitely Truss.

Whatever her reasons for doing what she's done so far (blind ignorance, or deliberate persuit of a free market economy) , she's bad. Really bad.