Boris' 'oven ready' deal becomes 'No Deal'

I am afraid it was inevitable from the start. Both the EU and the UK are intransigent.
Apparently if we had the vote now 65% percent would vote to stay and that is only those who admit they are wrong!
I fear for my DC and DGC's futures.

It turns out that the deal wasn't oven-ready after all , doesn't it - Boris forgot the stuffing . Or maybe he had every intention of stuffing it at a later date?

Can I post as a Remain voter please? It’s exactly what I’ve always expected and it’s a disaster. I’ll keep my store cupboard topped up and make sure I’ve always got at least 4 weeks of my meds in stock.

Baroness Gisela Stuart (chair of Vote Leave) is on Question Time tonight - I wonder what her thoughts are.

As someone who voted to leave this is exactly how I thought it would go. It's not over yet. It will go to the 11th hour on Dec 31st.

As someone else who voted leave I hope you're right MerylStreep but realistically 'no deal' was always a possibility.

MerylStreep

As someone who voted to leave this is exactly how I thought it would go. It's not over yet. It will go to the 11th hour on Dec 31st.

Are you looking forward to the chaos on 1st Jan 2021, Meryl?

I feel gobsmacked by it all even though I am a remainer. Just do not jump on me and murder me but it is a told you so situation.

Thank you for your answers.

Meryl are you saying that you think a 'no deal' scenario will yet be avoided?

Smileless2012 what is your current view on a 'no deal' exit from Europe?

All quiet on the Boris babes front....?

Same as suziewoozie here. I also believe the hedge fund managers and disaster capitalist (I.e. Tory donors) are salivating at the thought of a no deal.

Grannyactivist ....it isn’t no deal as yet, so bit premature.
Lucca I think that’s the kind of ‘stirring the pot’ remark that the OP wished to avoid.
I always thought it may well come to a no deal, and quite frankly a watered down version of leaving the EU was hardly worth the exercise of it all, so I hope it is a good deal (or no deal is preferable.)
I do think that because both sides want a deal, then there is the will to get one.Time for it to happen yet.

It was the Withdrawal Agreement that was oven ready not the trade deal! They are different!!! How many more times?!!!!

He stood on a platform of ‘get (oven ready) brexit done’. Shouldn’t he have said ‘get no deal brexit done’? And why are so many people quite happy with what is happening?

Smileless2012

As someone else who voted leave I hope you're right MerylStreep but realistically 'no deal' was always a possibility.

So you were not bothered about the disruption it would cause?

I too believe it could go until the eleventh hour. Neither we nor the EU wants the no deal scenario, but the fact remains that no deal is better than a bad deal so time will tell.

The EU is determined to hang on to our fishing waters but I am sure that will not happen!

Can someone please tell me in what way the country will be a better place after this no deal brexit?

Grannyactivist
Out of politeness I'm answering your post but just to say I won't comment anymore.

I didn't vote for disruption MayBee I voted for brexit. I don't want disruption any more than anyone else. TBH I hesitated to post at all as these 'discussions' always go the same way.

As lemongrove has posted I prefer no deal to "a watered down version of leaving the EU" and as both sides want a deal, there's still time to achieve this.

Jaberwok

It was the Withdrawal Agreement that was oven ready not the trade deal! They are different!!! How many more times?!!!!

That's a completely irrelevant point now.

The WA was meant to pave the way to a free trade deal. Reneging on it has put a giant spanner in the works. I don't think the EU states really care any more. They've already replaced the potential trade revenue lost from a no deal brexit and they were prepared for a no deal in March 2019. They won't walk away from the current 'negotiations' but I doubt they'll put much effort in.

My vitriol is quietly bubbling..

Thank you Meryl. I understand.

You're right, I am being premature Lemongrove. I believe that many people who voted to leave did so after much careful thought and because they believed the promises and 'spin' (some of which has since been proved to be untrue) that were promoted at the time of the vote.

My question was a genuine one to tease out whether, now that we have a clearer idea of what 'Brexit' actually means for the UK, people who voted to leave are still comfortable/confident with the trajectory the UK seems to be on.

Two of my oldest friends voted leave. One is a dyed in the wool Conservative activist who recently had a telephone exchange with Rees Mogg and thinks a 'no deal' scenario is absolutely fine for the country. The other is the Labour voting daughter of a man who was a Union representative all his life and whose confidence in her vote to leave is being eroded daily. I haven't spoken to her recently, but from what she's said previously I suspect she thinks a 'no deal' will be disastrous for the country and that she is very disappointed in the way talks have gone thus far.

I am viscerally frightened of leaving the security of Europe and this latest confirms my fear is justified.

I think your two friends sum up the different attitudes well grannyactivist

The remainers are convinced it will all be an unmitigated disaster.
Leavers meanwhile are hopeful for a deal, yet prepared for no deal if the EU won’t budge.

I still find it extraordinary that some seem convinced that we can’t even survive let alone thrive outside the EU !

It was always going to be a struggle to leave as the EU was bound to give us a tough time for having the temerity to want to leave, and they were always going to make an example of us in case other countries wished to follow suit (which could still happen of course)

My comment was not irrelvant MaisieD. It is your quote that was wrong! The WA was to pave the way for trade talks not necessarily free trade talks as there was always the possibility of no deal right from day 1, I certainly understood that when I voted leave at the referendum. The two remainers in our family are now converted leavers and are desperate for Boris to stand firm particularly on fisheries, environment being one of the reasons, factory trawlers in particular!