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The Queen and dedication to duty in the 21st Century

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Alegrias1 Tue 20-Apr-21 13:19:02

Does dedication to duty overwhelm any other consideration when it comes to being Head of State?

Why can a person stay in post, with all the deference that entails, when someone else is doing all the "work"?

Is anyone else worried that a 95 year old lady believes she has to keep on keeping on when many, many other monarchs have moved on in life and their countries haven't crumbled?

Lucca Tue 20-Apr-21 13:34:35

I believe she should take a back seat now. Surely she’s done enough years to qualify s having done her duty? If we’re going to continue with a monarchy surely it should be more modern, which would include retiring ? Personally I think she should have retired at 80 but I am no expert on royalty.....

ExD Tue 20-Apr-21 13:42:42

I can remember her saying she would never give up until she was dead, but can't remember where or when I saw it. I feel the family have been very supportive and now undertake most of the duties very well. She no longer travels overseas. It would be nice to see her make 100.
I only hope Charles doesn't let her down.

maddyone Tue 20-Apr-21 13:58:32

Yes, I’m concerned about it Alegrias. I believe the Queen should abdicate because she is now 95 years old, and hand over to her son who is now 72 years old I think. I think the Queen is our longest reigning monarch, and at 95 it is perfectly reasonable to retire.

maddyone Tue 20-Apr-21 14:00:32

She has a good chance of living to 100 ExD as her mother lived to 101. It seems to be ridiculous to me to have a Head of State who is 100 years old.

suziewoozie Tue 20-Apr-21 14:05:53

I think it’s incredibly arrogant and self obsessed to think you have to carry on regardless. It’s almost as if she believes in the ‘divine right of kings’.

EllanVannin Tue 20-Apr-21 14:09:59

It's like anyone who doesn't want to give up.
How many over 60's would be willing to forego their work to allow an out of work 25 year old take their place ?

Peasblossom Tue 20-Apr-21 14:10:00

I asked Google “what does a head of state do?”

Here’s one definition.

“The role of a head of state is primarily representative, symbolising the unity and integrity of the state both at home and abroad”

Encyclopaedia Brittanica

I’d say she does that pretty well at the moment.

What “work” should Heads of State do that can’t be delegated?

A prime example of ageism?

EllanVannin Tue 20-Apr-21 14:10:58

People are working beyond retirement age----why ??

EllanVannin Tue 20-Apr-21 14:18:27

Being the Queen is one thing, but an aged member of the public is another. They're entirely separate entitities.

Maybe the Queen is undecided on who is going to make a better job of where she leaves off ? Head of State is no mean feat and to be perfectly honest I wouldn't know myself who'd fit the bill as a close second to her for dedication alone.

Ngaio1 Tue 20-Apr-21 14:19:08

HM will never abdicate - think of the fuss when her Uncle did. (Strange - there was an American woman involved it that!) It will be that she is seen less and less and |Charles will take on more of her role. She was brought up to believe in duty. (Americans please note.).

Grandma70s Tue 20-Apr-21 14:20:38

She made a vow saying that the whole of her life, “whether it be long or short” would be devoted to the service of her people. She is not the type to break a vow unless, of course, ill-health forces her to. She probably didn’t think her life would be quite so long!

I think she’s fine for now.

Pantglas2 Tue 20-Apr-21 14:25:01

Because they want to and because they can EllanVannin! I know, I don’t understand it either!

Some people think that only certain folks should be allowed to do so and the RF shouldn’t!

The Queen is deemed too old to be our figurehead (let’s not not call it work or it will trigger some poor soul) and should resign in favour of Charles (who’s 73 this year and probably also too old).

So we come to William, who will be deemed too young and inexperienced...so actually, let’s get rid of them altogether!

How’s that for predicting where this one’s heading!

Parsley3 Tue 20-Apr-21 14:26:30

The Duke of Edinburgh set an example by retiring gracefully and the Queen can too if she so chooses. Unity and integrity are a tad lacking in the state just now so she isn’t representing that.

Alegrias1 Tue 20-Apr-21 14:28:24

The last 2 posts - I said this on another thread, so I'm repeating myself a bit. The word "abdication" obviously has a significant meaning for her but other monarchs have abdicated, and their countries have not fallen apart. Even the Pope retired, and he's ordained by God.

And the vow she made about being of service, didn't say she would be Queen forever. Maybe the best service she could do is to hand over to Charles and be there to see him "bed in" so to speak.

Alegrias1 Tue 20-Apr-21 14:29:28

Sorry, not the last 2 - it moved on while I was typing!

EllanVannin Tue 20-Apr-21 14:33:57

I can see clearly Pantglas.

Alegrias1 Tue 20-Apr-21 14:43:40

Maybe the Queen is undecided on who is going to make a better job of where she leaves off ?

Whether she's undecided or not, we know who is coming after her. That's how it works.

timetogo2016 Tue 20-Apr-21 14:43:41

I think she is wonderful and keeping to her promise.
She is of sound mind and body so why should she stop doing what she clearly loves,that in it`s self could be the death of her.
God bless her.

eazybee Tue 20-Apr-21 14:51:21

The Queen is extremely popular and, more importantly, well -respected world wide so naturally the so called republicans want her to step down. She is also extremely competent.

Anniebach Tue 20-Apr-21 14:52:09

Brilliant idea, a pandemic, let’s have a coronation to brighten
things up. Bad luck the heads of the commonwealth can’t attend.

She made a promise, her life long or short etc, nothing to do with divine right of kings , she made that promise . If she became ill she can still remain queen and Charles Prince Regent.

Alegrias1 Tue 20-Apr-21 14:57:54

Nobody on here has mentioned a Republic except the Monarchists. Most of us are talking about why an elderly lady is still in post 29 years after she could have claimed her state pension. smile

You don't to have been crowned to be King. Ask Edward VIII.

SueDonim Tue 20-Apr-21 15:08:53

Alegrias your post of 14:28 - I now have an image in my head of the Queen tucking a 73yo Prince Charles into bed each night. grin

My grandad worked up PT until illness stopped him, six weeks before he died, at the age of 84. My dad worked PT until he was 73. They enjoyed it. smile

Lucca Tue 20-Apr-21 15:17:12

Ngaio1

HM will never abdicate - think of the fuss when her Uncle did. (Strange - there was an American woman involved it that!) It will be that she is seen less and less and |Charles will take on more of her role. She was brought up to believe in duty. (Americans please note.).

Nice bit of prejudice there.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 20-Apr-21 15:21:00

suziewoozie

I think it’s incredibly arrogant and self obsessed to think you have to carry on regardless. It’s almost as if she believes in the ‘divine right of kings’.

I think to a degree she does believe that. She certainly believes she is God’s anointed.