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JackyB Thu 22-Sep-22 07:48:33

I watched the footage, and some of the live coverage of the Queen's funeral on Monday, but despite winding back and forth and checking over and over, I couldn't see one second of coverage of the European Royals, all of whom were present, and seated in the South transept. From my perspective, here in Germany, the royal families of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Luxembourg and Monaco are just as interesting relevant to Royal-Watchers and the yellow press as the British monarchy. But the general public and the media in the UK seem to be totally unaware that there are other monarchies out there.

The visiting royals may not have been aware that they had been snubbed by the British media, as they probably had their own press following them.

Now I read that Queen Margaret of Denmark caught Covid and has finally managed to make the BBC aware of the fact that she was there. That's a great souvenir to give her to take back as a memento of the day. Good job she has a great sense of humour like her cousin.

I am not a royal watcher or particular fan of these people, but I am aware that they exist. As I say, I watched the arrivals at Westminster abbey again and again and was shown the British royals, the commonwealth heads of state, the US president and his wife, the ex- and current Prime Ministers of the UK, but neither during the service nor before, did I see any mention of those European royal family members (who are household names here in Germany.). Sorry if I'm wrong and I blinked and missed them.

Here is the article about Margarethe getting Covid with, finally, a photo of her and the others. They even have to be tagged to explain who they are.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62982315

Galaxy Thu 22-Sep-22 07:56:28

I heard them mentioned and I didnt even watch itgrin, just caught a little bit on the news. I think to be fair the focus was on the Queen and the royal family. The prime ministers and Biden were mentioned but werent obviously the focus.

Spice101 Thu 22-Sep-22 07:58:48

Perhaps it was different coverage but I watched it on Britbox- I thought it was the BBC coverage but maybe not - there were several shots of the Crown Prince Frederick and Queen Margarethe who sat directly opposite KC111, as well as various others. What I did not see was much of the rest of the congregation including heads of state etc. except as they were coming into the Abbey. This was the only time anyone was mentioned by name as the service was live.

dragonfly46 Thu 22-Sep-22 08:11:10

I saw the Dutch royal family several times but that is probably because I easily recognised them.

silverlining48 Thu 22-Sep-22 08:29:41

I think you are right Jacky but we rarely see or hear anything much about European royalty. Never have.
I am only vaguely aware of which countries have royals. They are all mostly related through Victoria so it would have been a good opportunity for presenters to name them during the long hours of filming the funeral.

Elegran Thu 22-Sep-22 08:30:02

The building was full of people, each of them important to their own countries and their families and friends, but they would all be aware that on that day the spotlight was not on them. The tagging in the article would be for the majority of the world's readers - many of whom have never set eyes on even a photograph of most of the world's leaders. We all tend to think that our own country is at the centre of the world.

For all it was a state funeral, the focus was on the most important person there - Queen Elizabeth II - and her own family. Queen Margarethe was shown and mentioned on the live BBC broadcast. Other leaders were also shown and named as they arrived and were recognised, and the cameras roamed over the crowded seats during the service.

As it is only three days since the funeral, I think it is more likely that Queen Margarethe had caught Covid before she attended.

Joseanne Thu 22-Sep-22 08:32:35

I would have liked to learn more about them. There was one young man who looked very much like my son when younger! Yes, the Dutch royals seem the most recognisable.
I guess the media had so much to cover in a short time that they had their list of who's who and didn't have much of a clue otherwise.

Elegran Thu 22-Sep-22 08:44:19

I think if you had watched ALL of the live footage of the funeral coverage, from the arrival of the guests to the final minutes, you would have seen guests arriving and being named - but they arrived in bunches off the coaches and minibuses so there was only moments for the commentators to recognise and put a name to each famous visitor. Some of them had aged considerably, too, since they were last in the news.

The actual service was a solemn church event. It would not have been seemly during it to have paraded the representatives of each royal family or head of state and displayed them all like trophies. Queen Elizabeth would wanted her funeral service to be about less wordly things.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 22-Sep-22 08:50:22

I agree Elegran. It wasn’t a ‘spot the foreign royal/celebrity’ event. The focus was on HM and her family. Quite rightly. It wasn’t about anyone else.

kittylester Thu 22-Sep-22 08:54:38

How Edwars said that because it was a solemn occasion, they would not keep mentioning people who were there but that it was available on ithe I player.

kittylester Thu 22-Sep-22 08:55:52

Huw Edwards!

MawtheMerrier Thu 22-Sep-22 08:56:02

I don’t think anybody was “snubbed” this was a solemn occasion, not Ascot with a running commentary about who’s who.
I actually had to go looking for some of our own Royals , such as Princess Alexandra in the pictures the next day!
As for contracting Covid - well, there were 2.000 people in the Abbey so while I suspect the offending contact may have been earlier - 1/2000 is hardly surprising. I was more at risk in the crowded lift going up the Eiffel Tower last Sunday - and I am actually sneezing but not too bothered.

Joseanne Thu 22-Sep-22 09:02:51

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree Elegran. It wasn’t a ‘spot the foreign royal/celebrity’ event. The focus was on HM and her family. Quite rightly. It wasn’t about anyone else.

Good point.
And thank heavens there appeared to be no celebrities in attendance, or mentioned.

silverlining48 Thu 22-Sep-22 09:16:39

I think that in Europe most people are much more aware than we are of the different royal families including ours.
There have always been lots of articles and photos in their press and our friends knew about our royal divorces and other such scandals and gossip, a long time before it was officially announced to us here.
For some reason little is reported here about European royals. Or if it is I havnt seen it.

Yammy Thu 22-Sep-22 09:23:10

Can I ask if our British Royals are mentioned at other European Royal funerals?
This was not a social occasion where people are pointed out and clothes discussed. I didn't even see the Queen's own close cousins The Dukes of Kent and Gloucester who are actually in our line of succession.
Emphasis was put where it should have been our late Queen.

nightowl Thu 22-Sep-22 09:25:46

I read that there was a mistake in the invitations, with Princess Mary of Denmark being invited and then uninvited to the funeral. The Danish Royal Household had initially issued a statement to say that Queen Margrethe, Crown Prince Frederik and Princess Mary would all attend and then had to quickly amend it. Oops!

I thought that if you invited someone to your home by mistake it was good manners to let the invitation stand. I’m sure they could have added another chair on the end…
Maybe the buses were full though.

Dickens Thu 22-Sep-22 09:49:50

silverlining48

I think that in Europe most people are much more aware than we are of the different royal families including ours.
There have always been lots of articles and photos in their press and our friends knew about our royal divorces and other such scandals and gossip, a long time before it was officially announced to us here.
For some reason little is reported here about European royals. Or if it is I havnt seen it.

I think that in Europe most people are much more aware than we are of the different royal families including ours.

Yep! My ex Norwegian work colleagues know as much, and sometimes more, about our RF and their history, than some in the UK!

The young all speak English, some visit the UK on as many occasions as they can afford (when they're not holidaying in the sun), and they (my ex-colleagues) all rated our television drama output and children's TV programmes. My closest friend / ex-colleague reads English literature - in English.

It's a tradition in Norway during Easter to read crime novels or watch crime drama on TV. The favourite choice among my friends is re-runs of "Midsommer Murder". They watch with tongue in cheek, but they love it! Agatha Christie is a close contender.

Although they will jokingly refer to Britain as "that little island off the coast of Norway" they are all anglophiles!

SueDonim Thu 22-Sep-22 11:55:02

We watched the funeral on BBC and the commentary was minimal. It wasn’t a spot-the-celeb occasion. I think other channels may have had more chat on them. I did notice some European RF’s, though, and Queen Margarethe was mentioned.

I saw two photos of her the following day. She’s now the longest-reigning monarch in Europe and set aside her own golden jubilee celebrations in order to mourn her cousin, the queen.

Baggs Thu 22-Sep-22 12:11:32

People will be catching covid forever. Isn't t time we got used to that fact in the same way that we've got used to the fact that people catch flu?

Joseanne Thu 22-Sep-22 12:12:42

You would think France wouldnt be at all interested in our Royal family Dickens, but I've heard more talk about them in the last few months I was over there than in any time over the past 20 years! There was a sense of a build up to the Queen's death, especially after Prince Philip died, and the French press was certainly gearing itself up for it.

Baggs Thu 22-Sep-22 12:14:08

I saw some comments on Twtr re Biden and Mrs being seated 14 rows back. People were shocked that the leader of the free world blah blah blah...

BUT the Queen was not head of state of the US, nor is the US a Commonwealth country. Of course countries holding those characteristics got seating preference.

Joseanne Thu 22-Sep-22 12:17:41

Yes, didn't Trump make some stupid comment too that if he were president, they wouldn’t have sat him back there?

Callistemon21 Thu 22-Sep-22 12:20:18

The building was full of people, each of them important to their own countries and their families and friends, but they would all be aware that on that day the spotlight was not on them.

Exactly right, Elegran
It was not a Who's Who of an enjoyable get-together with press snapping away, it was the solemn funeral of our Head of State who also happened to be related to some of the European royals. They may have been very upset at the loss of their cousin but it was not about them on this occasion.

I did notice the Middletons in one shot, unobtrusively making their way in with everyone else.

Callistemon21 Thu 22-Sep-22 12:22:19

nightowl

I read that there was a mistake in the invitations, with Princess Mary of Denmark being invited and then uninvited to the funeral. The Danish Royal Household had initially issued a statement to say that Queen Margrethe, Crown Prince Frederik and Princess Mary would all attend and then had to quickly amend it. Oops!

I thought that if you invited someone to your home by mistake it was good manners to let the invitation stand. I’m sure they could have added another chair on the end…
Maybe the buses were full though.

I wonder why?

The Australian glossy magazines would have been full of photos of Princess Mary!

Dickens Thu 22-Sep-22 12:26:28

Joseanne

You would think France wouldnt be at all interested in our Royal family Dickens, but I've heard more talk about them in the last few months I was over there than in any time over the past 20 years! There was a sense of a build up to the Queen's death, especially after Prince Philip died, and the French press was certainly gearing itself up for it.

I have a relative living in France - she's saying similar to you!

I believe there's quite a lot of interest in various European countries - not of course reported in the MSM. The Eifel Tower was blacked out in a gesture of respect for Elizabeth, the Brandenburg Gate was lit up with the Union flag in her honour, and Von der Leyen gave an emotional speech after the death was announced, in which she called the late Queen "a legend".

Not front-page news in the British press though.