Rise in Pension Age

It’s actually a sad fact isn’t it.

And it has dropped more for men than women. But then men always have lost out on retirement.

Men have always had far higher pensions than women - Arriva currently estimates the difference to be 40.3%! That’s not ‘losing out’ in my book.

They may have had to work longer in the past, but that does not make the decision to raise the retirement age for women fair. The differential meant that more couples had a retirement together, as men tend to be older than their wives, and went some way to compensate women for the huge financial disadvantage they had suffered throughout their working lives. I suspect the thinking was that women would be able to look after their husbands too - who would make their meals and stir their tea if the women were at work?

Doodledog. Depends if value you retirement in terms of money or being alive.

Men may have done harder work than women in the employment sense but they did not have to undergo the pain and degradation of childbirth. Before the advent of relaible contraception women became pregnant year on year and often died in the most harrowing circumstances. Men escaped all that.

That is a bit classist - and perhaps typical of the working class in past times. But not true now.

My Dad died just before he reached 65 and therfor never had any retirement. If he had been female he would have had 5 years of retirement. My Mum is 100 and fortunatly had my Dad's pension to retire on.

Childbirth is not degrading biglouis. I do wish you would stop describing it as such.

Germanshepherdsmum

Childbirth is not degrading biglouis. I do wish you would stop describing it as such.

How can it be - a perfectly natural process.

childbirth can be very painful, but in my experience it was also wonderous.. certainly not degrading

The really frightening thing is, WW2, you seem to be spot on with 'The Tories are killing us off!':

“Declines in life expectancy used to be rare in wealthy countries like the UK, and happened when there were major adversities like wars and pandemics. For such declines to be seen in ‘normal times’ before the pandemic is alarming, and signals ongoing policy failures to tackle poverty and provide adequate social support and health care.”

www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231119/life-expectancy-declining-many-english-communities/

Oh dear biglouis it might be better to propound from a position of knowing what the heck you are talking about regarding childbirth.

Jackiest

Doodledog. Depends if value you retirement in terms of money or being alive.

I’d rather be alive with a 40.3% increase in pension. Money is worthless when you’re dead.

Three reason why life expectancy is falling,
Covid increased death rate,
Diabetes due to Obesity
long NHS waiting lists, you die before getting treated.

I wouldn’t dream of speaking for biglouis (I wouldn’t dare ), but maybe she was talking about the toll childbirth can take on the body?

That is a very interesting article. IDS must be laughing his head off now.

Katie59

Three reason why life expectancy is falling,
Covid increased death rate,
Diabetes due to Obesity
long NHS waiting lists, you die before getting treated.

Life expectancy is falling primarily because of the trashing of the NHS by the Tories, and

Because of poverty and the rise in food banks.

Doodledog

I wouldn’t dream of speaking for biglouis (I wouldn’t dare ), but maybe she was talking about the toll childbirth can take on the body?

But it is normal fgs!

Perhaps we ought to introduce A Brave New World and save us all a good deal of trouble.

Blossoming

That is a very interesting article. IDS must be laughing his head off now.

IDS?

Yes it’s normal, but it can take a toll. Particularly when people had numerous children in close succession. My mother’s friends all seemed to have ‘women’s problems’ and went into hospital regularly for ‘scrapes’ of their wombs.

Doodledog

Jackiest

Doodledog. Depends if value you retirement in terms of money or being alive.

I’d rather be alive with a 40.3% increase in pension. Money is worthless when you’re dead.

Back in 1980 men lived to about 70 and women to 76. so Men had 5 years of retirement and women 16. so they may have had 40.3% more pension but there retirement was 68.75% less. Do you want to money or the years, you can not have both.

If child birth is degrading, so is any defecatory function. The main ones are all concentrated in the same area.

I didn't find childbirth degrading.

kittylester

I didn't find childbirth degrading.

Me neither.

I thought it was a strange comment.