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Government wants to coax over 50s back into work

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biglouis Sat 24-Dec-22 13:08:32

The government is blaming a large part of the labour shortage on the fact that many people over 50 have been "economically inactive" since the pandemic. They are hoping to persuade many in this group back into the workforce.

There is a strong possibility that some over 50s will have to re-enter the job market part time because of the COL crisis. However employers are going to have to alter their ideas about what to expect from older workers. For roles which are very physical you cannot expect a 50-60 year old to have the same physical stamina as (say) a 25 year old.

There is also the factor that some older people who may return to work will find themselves pulled into a higher tax bracket because of the stealth tax changes. There would be little incentive for them to formally re-enter the job market of they are going to be hammered by PAYE.

Oopsadaisy1 Sat 24-Dec-22 13:26:56

Do that many people retire at 50 to 60 to make that much difference? Maybe Doctors, Civil Servants, but many people have to keep working until Pension age.

Did they calculate how many people would be available in that age range I wonder ?

Oopsadaisy1 Sat 24-Dec-22 13:27:57

I meant GPS rather than Doctors - most of ours GPS retired at 55.

Grammaretto Sat 24-Dec-22 13:32:32

We- the over 60s-- are already volunteering and keeping all the charities going. I have no time for paid work.

I wonder what the incentives will be!

Oopsadaisy1 Sat 24-Dec-22 13:37:40

I’m over 70 - I would need to be collected and delivered home by Taxi and have a well paid part time sitting down job, preferably something to do with reading books, a long lunch break with decent food paid for by the Employer - Oh and very long holidays.

Then I might just be persuaded back to work.

Although I really don’t think I would bother.

Sago Sat 24-Dec-22 13:41:41

My neighbours daughter, early thirties, no children is too tired to cook a Christmas lunch.
She finished work on Wednesday.
Sadly she is typical of a lot of young people, I really believe retired people will bring a lot to to the table.

Ziplok Sat 24-Dec-22 13:48:56

I find it hard to believe that there are so many over 50’s (but not yet reaching official retirement age) who have stopped working and are therefore largely responsible for the labour shortage - I don’t see how they can afford to if not receiving a pension. I imagine that there are a whole host of factors causing labour shortages including Brexit (like it or not), when so many European workers left the UK to return home, and many of these positions are not being filled by UK citizens, even though the government promised they would be. Of course, it’s so much easier to blame the over 50’s isn’t it? Or covid, or the Ukraine invasion, or the weather 🙃…. or fill in further blanks with whatever comes to mind.

Casdon Sat 24-Dec-22 14:01:49

Surely there’s a mismatch? The over 50s who have retired early will in the main be professionals, whereas the jobs shortage is in the main in unskilled roles. I really can’t see what would tempt people who could afford to retire back into the workplace to do those unskilled jobs.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Dec-22 14:27:25

If I knew of 50+ year olds who were living the life of Riley after lockdown and no longer working, I would believe the government.

I know lots of 50+ year olds all busy working and wishing they could retire, but couldn’t possibly afford to do so for years to come.

So I think this is yet another lie, to hid the truth.

volver Sat 24-Dec-22 14:35:16

Its not a lie. Why do people just not want to believe something just because they think it doesn't paint them in a good light? Out with 5 friends this week, four of us had stopped work in the last few years, while still in our fifties. All, happily, "living the life of Riley". Which means not getting up in the dark at 6:30am to go to work, and deciding what we want to do all day. And accepting that we might have a bit less disposable income because of that.

Link to the report, plus graph attached.

publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld5803/ldselect/ldeconaf/115/11502.htm

Aveline Sat 24-Dec-22 14:37:10

I retired at 60. Burnt out I suppose. I have seriously been thinking about finding some sort of job. I do have a voluntary one but feel a bit guilty seeing all the 'help wanted' notices in local businesses and shops. I don't think I'd be much good though and reckon any financial gain would be stealthily removed. I'll stick to my voluntary one.

Oopsadaisy1 Sat 24-Dec-22 14:50:29

We don’t have many people living in our lane but 2 households have stopped working because their parent (s) have died and left them considerable amounts of money.
I guess 50 to 60 yr olds can access their private pensions at 55 and if they have elderly parents can inherit at that age, often enough to retire on, let’s hope they’ve done their sums!

Pittcity Sat 24-Dec-22 14:53:39

We retired in our 50s. Were not living the life of Riley but we are Living rather than just surviving as we were when we were working.

Lovetopaint037 Sat 24-Dec-22 14:56:16

I hope that doesn’t include over eighties. If it does I might have to refuse on the grounds I am not fit for purpose.
Also my dh can’t apply for jobs as he doesn’t know how to do a CV. Otherwise we are willing. Meanwhile a very big thank you to the younger amongst us who can still work. Thank you and a very Happy Christmas.

Witzend Sat 24-Dec-22 14:59:26

What they actually need to do, is to make childcare an awful lot cheaper. A lot of women with young children, who would like to go back to work, simply can’t, because the ruinous cost of childcare would be more than they can earn.

This is plain common sense, so obviously no government, especially a Tory one, will ever do it.

biglouis Sat 24-Dec-22 14:59:47

Wonder how many of these "retired" people who need to boost their income have simply moved into a cash in hand side hustle for something they enjoy or can do as ad when they want?

Oopsadaisy1 Sat 24-Dec-22 15:04:08

Grandparents are acting as carers for their ACs.

Self employed are possibly working cash in hand.

Others have inheritance and PP to live on, maybe after the Pandemic people are deciding to live for today and worry about tomorrow, well ……tomorrow? I just hope we don’t see poor, broke pensioners when they are older

LOUISA1523 Sat 24-Dec-22 15:21:01

Me and many of my colleagues/friends retired at 55 ( we are nurses) ....several of us have returned ( me includex) but just 2 days a week....not really worth it to return for any more....too much tax .....but then mostly we are gone by 60....I'm 58 and may manage another year but then I will be done

LOUISA1523 Sat 24-Dec-22 15:22:25

Witzend

What they actually need to do, is to make childcare an awful lot cheaper. A lot of women with young children, who would like to go back to work, simply can’t, because the ruinous cost of childcare would be more than they can earn.

This is plain common sense, so obviously no government, especially a Tory one, will ever do it.

But many low paid can claim up to 85% of childcare free with UC

Galaxy Sat 24-Dec-22 15:24:55

Many of my colleagues retired following covid, it showed them a better way of life, I currently spend 2 hours in traffic a day, leaving when it's dark etc, I love my job, but would retire early in a heartbeat (am in my fifties).

LOUISA1523 Sat 24-Dec-22 15:27:06

Whitewavemark2

If I knew of 50+ year olds who were living the life of Riley after lockdown and no longer working, I would believe the government.

I know lots of 50+ year olds all busy working and wishing they could retire, but couldn’t possibly afford to do so for years to come.

So I think this is yet another lie, to hid the truth.

Why do you think its a lie? I know loads of 55 plus people who are retired....NHs/ LA/ banking / police/ fire service ....I could go on.....all with a big lump sum and very decent pension ( myself included) ....throw in an inheritance and lots can live ' a life of Riley ' 🤷‍♀️

62Granny Sat 24-Dec-22 15:32:56

Most people reaching 50 still have kids in uni and a mortgage how can you afford to retire with those two large expenses still ongoing? I retired early (60) to care for my husband who had a life changing stroke. So if they want to provide the care that I provide free of charge which I very much doubt.

Margs Sat 24-Dec-22 15:37:50

Re-enter the job market if you can!

Young(under 35) managers practice rampant ageism like you wouldn't believe. And many like female job applicants to be in full command of The Four B's.......bubbly,bouncy,busty and blonde. Plus dewey-eyed youth.

But you will never get them to admit it......

Doodledog Sat 24-Dec-22 15:50:56

Casdon

Surely there’s a mismatch? The over 50s who have retired early will in the main be professionals, whereas the jobs shortage is in the main in unskilled roles. I really can’t see what would tempt people who could afford to retire back into the workplace to do those unskilled jobs.

I think this is true.

I also think that there is no need to feel guilty or in any way criticised for taking early retirement, if it's an option. I don't know about the life of Riley, but I certainly don't regret leaving work at 57. I worked for 41 years - what's to feel guilty about?

I do a bit of consultancy, which brings in a little bit of money that subsidises my pension, but it also stops me feeling 'past it. That is something that I wish could open up to more older people, as we have experience and expertise to pass on if we are so inclined. It makes far more sense than asking us to compete with younger people with more energy but less experience.

MerylStreep Sat 24-Dec-22 15:59:36

I have one friend who was a pathologist with the Met. She works on the tills at a supermarket and loves it.
Another had a very senior position in a branch of the NHS.
She retired years ago and now works in care in a non managerial role, or as she puts it: the coal face end.