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Perimenopause - Mumsnet & Gransnet share the knowledge

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GigiGransnet (GNHQ) Fri 23-May-14 10:13:15

Hello

As most of you will know, we've got a sister site, Mumsnet

And we started thinking that GNers actually have have a wealth of experience in areas that some MNers may only just be starting to think about, or experience personally, and we thought it might be interesting (and, maybe even fun to open up a conversation between the members of the two sites on some of these topics.

One issue that leapt out at us (or, perhaps more accurately, sidled up to us gradually as we entered the prime of life) is the perimenopause: a period either side of the transition into the menopause, when women may start to experience symptoms such as irregular periods, sleeplessness, changes in sex drive and vaginal dryness/itching, emotional ups and downs and so on. (Or may not, of course!)

Lots of GNers have probably been there, done that (and got the t-shirt!) so far as the menopause is concerned, so we thought this might be a useful opportunity for MNers to ask some them any questions they may have, and for members of both sites to share some experience, hard-won knowledge and support.

Of course there will be GNers who have yet to experience either, and MNers who know lots about the menopause and perimenopause themselves, so you should all feel free to ask, answer, or both.

There's a parallel thread running on Mumsnet; we'll cross-post some questions and answers between the two, but do get yourself a Mumsnet log-in and pop over to say hello if you fancy it.

So... what advice could you share about the perimenopause, and wished you'd known earlier?

Mamie Sun 25-May-14 06:48:43

Just wanted to add that the only thing that worked for me in the worst years of the menopause was HRT. All symptoms vanished and I had no side effects. It is worth reading up on the actual risks of HRT as some of the research that scared people so much was flawed. For me dietary supplements were the equivalent of being told that breathing in and out and singing jingle bells would deal with pain in childbirth (actually said at the ante-natal classes I went to in the seventies).
The Menopause Matters forum is brilliant.
(GNHQ did you not say that you would try to get Dr Heather Currie for a webchat? Maybe even a joint one with Mumsnet?)

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Sun 25-May-14 08:30:59

We did and we have asked so we will keep you posted!

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Sun 25-May-14 17:55:54

Thanks to all who are posting help/answers/ideas - we are posting your replies on the Mumsnet thread too. Meanwhile about to post some more questions from MNers...

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Sun 25-May-14 17:57:15

From AliceInSandwichLand:

I am 49 and more or less through menopause - had years of hideous heavy periods in my mid forties, seemingly every five minutes, which led to anaemia (if you are in that stage and feel breathless and exhausted, get thee to a doctor and get iron tested - it took me embarrassingly long to realise given I am a vet and should have had some medical insight, therefore! Iron sorted it nicely.) I am now down to a very light period every few months, which is fine, and am also delighted no longer to have tender breasts, which had been painful for half of every month for thirty years or so, and especially during peri menopause.
At the moment I have not gone for HRT because my symptoms are relatively mild - just a few hot flushes and joint aches, which are really helped by exercise, and I am thinking about vagifem as described above. I am currently trying the menopace supplements and think I may have a bit more energy, but it's not made much difference. Would agree that refined sugar and carbs and alcohol are all really bad news - I have been gluten intolerant for years anyway but now eating even less cake type stuff, sadly. My main issue at the moment is waking with a hot flush pretty much every night at about 1:30 am. It's not a bad one, not too sweaty, and sometimes I get back to sleep easily but sometimes not; and I wake earlier than I'd like to most mornings, too. This is definitely linked to menopause because as someone said above, it stops when I do have a rare period. Does anyone have any suggestions of what's worked for night waking, please?
Thank you for an interesting thread.

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Sun 25-May-14 17:58:09

From chickydoo:

47 here, regular as clockwork. Periods sluggish though, and a bit clotty, but they haven't changed much......But the night sweats, never in the day, but at night I drip like a tap, sometimes I wake up & have to strip the bed & me twice a night. DH had to sleep in spare room, unless he want to be engulfed in the waves of my sweat.. Poor love... How do I turn the tap off??

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Sun 25-May-14 17:59:26

From NCISaddict:

The increased hairiness back of thighs, chin and nipples. It really makes you feel unattractive just when you need the cinfidence to cope with lack of sleep again.
The bonus is that I haven't had a period since August, they just sr=topped dead, no slowing down, really hope they don't start again.

harrigran Sun 25-May-14 23:53:55

The perimenopause started when I was 46 and was confirmed by a blood test. Periods became very heavy and very painful but thankfully I had no other symptoms. I was 55 when I eventually went through the menopause so the whole process took more than 9 years.
Don't worry about the hairiness it can be sorted, pluck, pluck and more plucking. The hairs do get finer with constant removal.

ffinnochio Mon 26-May-14 08:29:31

Night sweats - get a fan! I found this to be invaluable. I bought a tall free standing one which had 3 settings, worked by remote control from the bed. I dumped the duvet and used layered cotton sheets/toppers of different weights.

I still get hot at times - usually at 5am in the morning - but the dripping sweats have now diminished considerably.

Judthepud2 Mon 26-May-14 15:21:32

I think the work up to the menopause is worse than after periods stop. That was such a relief to me! From about 46 my PMT got much worse and the periods were extremely heavy for about 2 years. I used to take black cohosh tabs from Holland & Barrett which seemed to moderate the flushes a bit. For the flushes I found wearing light cotton clothes helpful. And light cotton NIGHTIES rather than pyjamas best at night time. Someone suggested drinking water when a flush started which also worked for me.

Most of all, I think trying to take a positive approach to menopause as the end of the tyranny of periods was useful. Beginning of another stage in life. Hard I know when you feel tired and uncomfortable. I felt so much healthier after my periods and flushes stopped........although had to through flushes, sleeplessness and exhaustion all again with hormone therapy after breast cancer!!!

Judthepud2 Mon 26-May-14 15:23:07

Oh yes....and get one of those little canisters of water spray! Boots have them. Great for cooling down during a flush.

Judthepud2 Mon 26-May-14 16:37:05

www.saga.co.uk/health/body/perimenopause-symptoms-and-treatments.aspx?XCID=SocialMediaPU&PLA=TWPU&CRE=Health

Just picked up this useful link to an article on the menopause from Saga Magazine. Thanks Twitter!

GigiGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 28-May-14 13:25:05

Chickydoo from Mumsnet asks:

"47 here, regular as clockwork. Periods sluggish though, and a bit clotty, but they haven't changed much......But the night sweats, never in the day, but at night I drip like a tap, sometimes I wake up & have to strip the bed & me twice a night. DH had to sleep in spare room, unless he want to be engulfed in the waves of my sweat.. Poor love... How do I turn the tap off??"

GigiGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 28-May-14 13:27:44

AliceinSandwichLand from Mumsnet:

"I am 49 and more or less through menopause - had years of hideous heavy periods in my mid forties, seemingly every five minutes, which led to anaemia (if you are in that stage and feel breathless and exhausted, get thee to a doctor and get iron tested - it took me embarrassingly long to realise given I am a vet and should have had some medical insight, therefore! Iron sorted it nicely.) I am now down to a very light period every few months, which is fine, and am also delighted no longer to have tender breasts, which had been painful for half of every month for thirty years or so, and especially during peri menopause.
At the moment I have not gone for HRT because my symptoms are relatively mild - just a few hot flushes and joint aches, which are really helped by exercise, and I am thinking about vagifem as described above. I am currently trying the menopace supplements and think I may have a bit more energy, but it's not made much difference. Would agree that refined sugar and carbs and alcohol are all really bad news - I have been gluten intolerant for years anyway but now eating even less cake type stuff, sadly. My main issue at the moment is waking with a hot flush pretty much every night at about 1:30 am. It's not a bad one, not too sweaty, and sometimes I get back to sleep easily but sometimes not; and I wake earlier than I'd like to most mornings, too. This is definitely linked to menopause because as someone said above, it stops when I do have a rare period. Does anyone have any suggestions of what's worked for night waking, please?
Thank you for an interesting thread".

GigiGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 28-May-14 13:29:48

ancientbuchanan from Mumsnet

"What effect does obesity have? If any. Am v obese. Am mid fifties and still ovulating normally, although with hot flushes from time to time and more blasted hair.

But DM's menopause went on till she was 78 or so".

GigiGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 28-May-14 13:30:12

Kristinam from Mumsnet
"Oldgreymare -thanks, that's reassuring

Imdadgeine - that's interesting, I exercise quite a lot and I don't eat gluten, spicy food or caffeine , so maybe I'm not noticing any mild symptoms that I do have

I also have an interactive thyroid so I'm on meds"

GigiGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 28-May-14 13:30:49

lotsofcheese from Mumsnet
I am wondering if I'm perimenopsusal too? I'm 42 & having periods about every 21 days. My cycles have been gradually getting shorter since I was 36.,I've been so dry & itchy down below & having constant thrush. My fat distribution is all round the middle hmm

But on the other hand, I got pregnant very easily at 36, 39 & twice at 40. - although 2 of these ended in miscarriage. I wouldn't be so fertile if I was perimenopausal - right?

And I have no night sweats, mood swings (DP might not agree!).

My big concern, if I am perimenopausal, is heart disease. My mum had a quadruple bypass at 54 - and an early menopause. I also had severe, early PE which means I 'm at risk too."

GigiGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 28-May-14 13:31:43

Durham Durham from Mumsnet
"This has been a bit of a revelation for me, I hadn't even heard or perimenopause. I'm 44 this year and the last 12 months have been a nightmare for me. My periods have become very heavy and irregular. I sometimes, but not often, get nightsweats in which I wake up soaked. My PMT symptoms are much worse than they have ever been, I'm up and down and completely unpredictable. I can sometimes hear how unreasonable I am but can't stop myself, I get very tearful and am anxious a lot of the time.

This may or may not mean I am currently going through the perimenopause. It would be good to know these symptoms are normal and that they will pass".

Marmight Wed 28-May-14 14:13:51

This perimenopause is news to me too! I was very lucky all through my life - 28/30 day cycle from 13 until I was 52 when I had a couple of very heavy periods one of which happened at a very posh 'do' when I had to disappear into the loo and stuff my knickers with loo roll (luckily I was wearing dark red silk trousers!) and since that day - nothing. I had no hot flushes, sweats, headaches or anything else. What a relief it was to be free and, strangely, the libido improved thereafter grin. I feel very lucky to have survived so easily and wish all you Mumsnetters a similar experience......

GigiGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 29-May-14 12:03:53

BellBookandCandle from Mumsnet

"Any advice from veggie G'netters.......don't want to go down the HRT route..... So, any tips on what worked for you would be great (am hairy, grumpy and cycle length is getting longer and periods vary from heavy/flooding to light/negligible and PMS is almost bloody constanthmm) - thank you"

JessM Fri 30-May-14 07:15:09

Sorry can't find the thread on MN.
A suggestion for bellbookandcandle to pass on - maybe go on the pill for a couple of years. But in any case, talk to doctor!

sussexpoet Sat 31-May-14 17:28:02

I've been very interested reading about all your experiences. I entered menopause very suddenly at age 43 (which was early in my family) with a massive hot flush at work one day. Didn 't want to ever have another one - and indeed couldn't afford to with kids to feed and a mortgage to pay - so went onto HRT which I found wonderful. I only stopped taking it after 20 years! and then went onto natural supplements. I still think menopause itself is marvellous - no more periods (mine were always heavy and painful), no more fiddling around with contraception (I had always been embarrassingly fertile). Now aged 76, I have a very good sex life with a loving partner.
As for the often much exaggerated scare stories about HRT, have you every noticed that they were almost identical to those about the contraceptive pill? i.e. anything that makes women's lives easier must per se be bad!

KatGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 02-Jun-14 10:31:32

From Devora on Mumsnet:

"Thanks for lending us your wisdom, Gransnetters. I'm 50 and think the 'peri' bit is probably a thing of the past. I have vit D deficiency and am riddled with arthritis so accept that bodily pain is probably a permanent feature now.

But emotionally I'm not doing great - this may be down to constantly being massively overstressed and knackered, of course. I don't think I"m a very nice mum at the moment. Does HRT help lift the mood as well? Is it worth a try before looking at other solutions?"

KatGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 02-Jun-14 10:32:41

From JonesRipley on Mumsnet:

"This is on my mind but I'm not sure whether I should go to the GP or not. Because I have the Mirena coil, there are no periods, but what I have noticed in the last year or so (I am 44)

Increased PMT -crying, anger
Feeling like the beginning of cystitis, but which isn't amounting to cystitis -pain, feeling of urgency
Weight gain- about half a stone, no discernible reason
Migraine, also apparently cyclical
No libido

I feel quite down about it, but I know my moods well and I don't think this is psychological"

KatGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 02-Jun-14 10:34:00

From TheHoneyBadger on Mumsnet:

"Q: (especially to anyone who had had a lot of problems with pms triggering mental health problems - re: severe rather than just a bit bleurgh and to those unable to use HRT).

the pill really helped my pmt problems and made a huge difference to my mental health until a savvy young doctor picked up on the fact that i had a history of aura migraine and so should not be taking the pill at all due to a double whammy stroke risk. this means that when the time comes HRT is ruled out for me also.

i suppose my concern is having had hormonally related mental health problems in my late twenties through to mid 30's which now are relatively settled (via anti depressants and taking agnus castus ((highly recommended - has taken me from cycles between 38-48 days long with weeks of pmt before they arrive to on average 30-33 day long cycles with minimal pmt)) and possibly just getting past the big fertility drive hormone stage) does that mean i'm likely to have all hell break lose again when the menopause era hits?

also if i can't take the pill or hrt what options will be available to me? i can't even use the mini pill which would have been safer stroke risk wise because progesterone turned me even more crazy and suicidal - joy grin

so yes if anyone with mental health issues with a hormonal edge to them has been through menopause i'd love to hear their experiences and i would also seriously recommend high dose agnus castus to all women with any issues around their cycle or the menopause - in some countries it's actually prescribed for everything from pcos to pms to heavy periods. it works upon the pituatory gland and has honestly been a miracle for me."

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 03-Jun-14 19:08:20

Fluoxetine could help. Ask your doctor what he/she thinks.