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Thistledoo Tue 17-Jun-14 14:03:35

I was wondering if any other GNs have had a similar experience to the one I had on Sunday. My DS came to visit with grandchildren, little girl aged 23 months and boy aged four. As it was such a beautiful day we were all out in the garden, myself and DH chasing children around the lawn and generally having fun. DS was sitting watching, and playing on his mobile phone as usual. I was pretending to race DGD up the lawn say to her, I am gong to catch you...... I then caught her picked her up and swung her round saying as I did so, gottya you little minx. With that my DS rounded on me with some anger saying he didn't like me using that word. I questioned him as to why , and what did he think I meant. I was told this was very disrespectful and derogatory to his daughter. I was gobsmacked and upset to say the least, I was only playing and having fun with the toddler. I was so upset in fact that I left the garden and went into the kitchen to prepare the evening meal. They then left without saying goodbye. I can remember reading a comic strip way back in my youth with a character by that name. But DH looked up the true definition in the oxford dictionary and it really is a derogatory term so why is it used so widely. I was really upset and didn't sleep on Sunday night. I would really appreciate some comments about this difficult subject.

rosesarered Mon 23-Jun-14 09:20:22

HollyDaze your reference to unles playing the piano brought back childhood memories for me [played lots of musical instruments as you say and all self taught] and us all singing Quartermasters Stores and laughing,
['cheese, cheese, walking on it's knees,' and something similar and just as daft.Also a song called Ivan Stravinsnky Skavoe [again not sure of name or spelling.]Happy days.

thatbags Mon 23-Jun-14 09:02:20

Which is me saying that I think the young man in the OP was being over-sensitive and really a bit silly. Maybe he uses the word in a sexual context and that's the root of the problem in that he isn't aware of innocent meanings of the same word.

thatbags Mon 23-Jun-14 08:59:47

In that context, of course we knew what it meant. In the little girl's context it meant something different. It's the context that matters rather than the word. Context is what gives the connotations and therefore the meaning.

Iam64 Sun 22-Jun-14 21:29:48

The news last week reported the case of a teacher aged 37 who had a sexual relationship with a 16 yr old pupil. The news report said he'd called her a minx in a text message, the inference was sexual. Fancy that, who knew, not this bunch of gransnetters anyway.

Nonu Fri 20-Jun-14 21:40:24

Well there you go PAPA each to his own, He made me "cringe" always seemed like a chap who was not keen on women !!!!

In a rather spiteful , be-littling way !!!

That is this woman"s point of view

papaoscar Fri 20-Jun-14 20:53:12

As a youngster, Nonu, I wasn't aware of the other side of Frankie Howard but I liked the way he could command an audience, in a similar way to Larry Grayson, Lilly Savage and Danny La Rue. They could all entertain without causing offence, at least not to me.

Nonu Fri 20-Jun-14 20:40:27

Having read through these posts , it seems to me quite ridiculous, what on earth is wrong with this expression , It seems such a shame your DS behaved the way he did!!

bye the bye Frankie Howard made me cringe, still what ever floats your boat, takes all sorts !

rosequartz Fri 20-Jun-14 20:25:36

When I say politically incorrect these days, I meant 'in my day' of course!!

Can't keep up with it all.

rosequartz Fri 20-Jun-14 20:24:41

DD1 used a term on a social networking site today which I would never dream of using (about THOSE footballers). To her it meant they were useless, to me it meant something which would be politically incorrect these days.

Times change, but do we have to change our opinions/thoughts/speech as well?

TriciaF Fri 20-Jun-14 15:05:53

I've had a re-think about this, and I think it's a generation thing.
Similar things have happened to me with our grandchildren, where I've been very lighthearted and jokey about something, then their parents have implied (politely) that this is taken seriously now.
Both our sons went through a sort of wild phase in their teens and early 20s, and perhaps they are stricter with their own children because they don't want them to get involved in the much more dangerous temptations around now.
The girls are similar, but not so outspoken about it.

rosequartz Fri 20-Jun-14 14:53:43

www.beano.com/

Here we are, Thistledoo.

We had a free copy with a Sunday paper a few weeks ago when DGS was staying and it is apparently still available. Complete with Minnie The Minx - 'It's the girl who's tougher than all the boys ...'

I was relieved to note that Dennis the Menace is still in there, with his dark spiky hair, although DD1 tells me that there is an American film about Dennis the Menace and he is blond!!

This has all reminded me of the time I was choosing a birthday present for DGD last year; I chose a soft 'Snow White' doll and the lovely girl who served me in the Disney Store told me earnestly that 'Snow White is our oldest princess you know, she dates from 1937'. I did mention that I thought Snow White was in fact a lot older than that. She had obviously never heard of the Brothers Grimm, and the even older legends!

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 20-Jun-14 14:19:45

Knock it off now! shock Ill mannered indeed! hmm

shemag Fri 20-Jun-14 13:57:44

What a shame your son is so ill mannered. Minx is a harmless fun word. I suggest your son apologizes for his appalling behavior.

annodomini Fri 20-Jun-14 12:07:20

Thistle, I suggest you give him a subscription to the Beano for his birthday or Christmas whichever is first! wink

Thistledoo Fri 20-Jun-14 11:35:37

Thank you Lilygran, what a lot of good fun this thread has been, its turned an upsetting situation into a huge discussion about the play on words. I am trying to get a copy of the Beano for my DS, so we can all have a really good laugh about it. I heard my DIL calling the DGC little sausages the other day!!!! I nearly bust a gut. smile
Thank you all for your amusing posts and wonderful support. smile

HollyDaze Fri 20-Jun-14 11:12:17

Elegran - I probably had a smutty moment blush

I think their generation was a lovely generation. This is bringing back some lovely family memories from my childhood - every single one of my uncles could play several musical instruments and those would inevitably come out and be played (along with the piano) and, in my head, I can hear them singing 'The Quartermaster's Stores' - happy memories smile

Lilygran Fri 20-Jun-14 10:44:16

I'm really sorry thistledoo had such a bad experience. I'm really confused, though, over what her son thought 'minx' meant. Words change their meaning over time and this particular word hasn't been used in a serious way for over 100 years! Dictionaries often give every definition without saying when the word was used in that sense. Son should perhaps do some kind of course on language? And start being kinder to his mother!

rosequartz Fri 20-Jun-14 09:58:40

I have just seen that someone has put a yellow smiley face on the 'Though for the Day' thread. That is something I wouldn't use these days due to it's connection to the Acid House rave scene and taking of Ecstacy. Life is a minefield isn't it?

Shysal, if I was clever enough to reproduce that smiley face I would put a whole row of them on here! They cannot be allowed to appropriate everything.

annodomini Fri 20-Jun-14 09:56:17

My father had a repertoire of rugby songs which had to be strictly censored and my mother and aunt were never as strait-laced as they would have liked us to believe!

Elegran Fri 20-Jun-14 08:54:15

Holly I suspect that your aunt would be perfectly OK with the song - after all, it does just say "kissing"! Anything else is in the eye of the beholder ear of the listener.

That generation were less starchy than the image they liked to show the children, though. My grandfather used to like to sing the old Music Hall songs - "She is only a bird in a gilded cage" and so on. If he started on one that Granny thought unsuitable for our ears she she would stop him with a sharp "George!"

shysal Fri 20-Jun-14 08:23:07

I have just seen that someone has put a yellow smiley face on the 'Though for the Day' thread. That is something I wouldn't use these days due to it's connection to the Acid House rave scene and taking of Ecstacy. Life is a minefield isn't it? sad

HollyDaze Thu 19-Jun-14 22:26:50

Good grief Elegran - that song sounds a bit raunchy for my dear old aunt! Then again, I have 'fond' memories of our Christmases at one aunts house (we all turned up) and out would come the gramophone and on would go the 78s and all my aunts and uncles would be singing along to barrack room ballads - the kids were banished to the front room (where the Christmas cake sat on the sideboard grin ) but we could hear them laughing and not understand why!

FarNorth Thu 19-Jun-14 20:26:50

Minnie the Minx is still on the go in the Beano so what's his problem?

www.beano.com/characters/minnie-the-minx

sparkygran Thu 19-Jun-14 18:30:40

Had thought the same as others but wasn`t sure so thanks Hunt for clarification - I too was concentrating on something of the rude all to no avail

annodomini Thu 19-Jun-14 14:03:56

Funny lot at Gordonstoun, apparently!