Christian Family face possible legal action

The cake was commissioned to garner support for gay marriage in Ireland.It isn't legal there.......yet.The vote to decide comes any minute now.

I think the problem comes soontobe when people with religious views start imposing them on others. e.g. bullying people outside abortion clinics.

As christians we have to act according to what we believe.
The bible bit is Romans chapter 14, verse 23.
If we dont act according to what we believe, we sin.
So if the owners of the bakery thought that God didnt want them to do it, and then they had gone ahead and done it...

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No, I agree, that's why I changed the cake order to the same as the original one. Let's assume the bakers in question are strict muslims.

Yes. (In answer to ana) (so long as they got the same EU judge on the case )

I don't think I can get my head round the muslim/cartoon thing.

Perhaps if it was a non-muslim requesting it, and it would be, then that would be contravening the rights of the non muslim customer. There is no law against producing or selling cartoon of the Phrophet. Don't think it would be breaking any equality law though.

OK then, Eloethan, would a muslim business have been successfully prosecuted for refusing to supply the cake in the OP?

I agree very good point Apricot

What equality legislation would that be contravening?

Good point!

As someone else put it, would a Muslim business be prosecuted for refusing to supply a cake with a cartoon of the prophet on the top?

Please note that my post was not in any way belligerent nor am I proposing that you should be shouted down or pilloried. My daughter and daughter-in-law have always supported freedom of religious and political belief.
If only everyone were so broad-minded and tolerant.
However if you find their happiness offensive, so be it!

You sound pretty belligerent to me mollie65. I guess you're not a great fan of "gay rights".

mollie65 I am aware of the situation and was questioning the level of subtlety needed to make the order acceptable. It's pretty obvious that anyone ordering a cake like my daughter's is supporting gay marriage but perhaps the diff*e*rence is simply that one is expressed in words and the other in symbols. Rather nit-picking don't you think?

now that the 'gay rights' movement have got everything they asked for and more
will they be less belligerant and accept that everyone has freedom of thought/religious belief without the 'straight' majority being shouted down and pilloried.

This is a good way to look at it, I think.

Ah - I see. Religious people should be allowed to discriminate against others ( and be discriminated against themselves )?

But who makes the law? And do they have the right to do so where something as personal as religion is concerned?

Icing a slogan on a cake is not pretending to support or agree with it - it's called carrying out your business according to the law.

Some states in the US are trying to pass laws that allow Christians to discriminate in their businesses. If everyone wanted such laws we'd be back to uncivilised, intolerant societies.

The problem is solvable if everyone abides by the principle of not discriminating against people or things that are doing them no harm even though they may profoundly disagree with those people's choices. Words on a cake do not harm Christian beliefs or principles.

I think people should have the right to live their whole lives according to their religious principles. Their whole lives. No matter what the religion is. So long as it is doing no harm to others.

Yes. It is a lot of fuss about a cake. But the fuss wasn't made by the bakers. They simply refused the order.

It's a pity that Christians aren't so devout about other Christian principles such as "thou shalt not kill", "love thy neighbour as thyself", etc. What a lot of fuss about a cake - it's hardly asking someone to commit murder is it?