Christian Family face possible legal action

X posts, elegran. I'll have a look at that link.

Well said, Greenfinch.

this BBC article gives the, surprisingly few, passages in the bible about homosexuality

Greenfinch. The Bible is inspired by God. Lots of other books are not. Be careful

How can God be replaced by ethics thatbags?

I think I have said all I need to say on homosexuality. Its references are many and clear. In Old testament and New Testament.

Thanks so much for the article *Elegran".I just wanted to scream yes ,yes ,yes. It was an excellent summary of what I believe the Christian faith to be all about .And thanks for yours jingl. I don't know how you manage to find such apt ones.

I agree with you thatbags,there are many modern books that are truly inspired .When I used to go to Church(and I am talking about a traditional Anglican church ) we would often have a modern reading(chosen by the congregation) instead of an OT one if the latter one for the day did not seem to have much relevance .I don't think we actually said "this is the word of the Lord" at the end of it but then I never said it at the end of a biblical reading (just in case it wasn't ).

Soontobe We are just going to have to agree to differ. Your brand of Christianity and mine just do not tally and I do not need you to tell me to be careful thank you very much.

for Greenfinch

I don't have a god, soon, but I do have morals and I do live by good ethical codes. That's how. We are just at different ends of the same human spectrum of understanding. Cheers, pal.

ok Greenfinch.

Our most precious and valuable helpers are our brain, with which we can think about things, our imagination, with which we can see things through other people's eyes, and our heart, with which we can feel for other people. Using these we can know how we should live, we don't need to obey rules imposed on us from outside.

If you believe that God made us in his image, then you must believe that He gave us these abilities, to use for good - so if we don't use them, we are wasting His gifts.

If you believe that we are a development from a spark of simple life millions of years ago, then you must marvel at how far we have come.

I do think people should perhaps go about their lives quietly. Without shouting about their likes and dislikes, or demanding that everyone should agree with them. Live and let live, but don't impose everything on other people.

Some people just do find the thought of sexual acts between two same sex people distasteful. I would never condone any kind of gay bashing. I think that is totally abhorrent. And I don't believe in labelling this stuff as "sin". But not everyone can think the same. Private lives should perhaps, stay private.

Can't be arsed to get hard hat on.

private lives should stay private, I agree jingl. I do find in your face impositions whether about gay sex, politics or anything else very irritating and sometimes downright intimidating.

Noneedforhardhatihope!

soontobe You seem not to understand that what you believe is not what everybody believes. I wonder how you would feel if someone of a religion other than christianity came on Gransnet and continually referred to their god and their holy scriptures as if they unquestionably represented "the truth" and were the only true basis upon which moral and ethical issues can be judged.

On the legitimacy of "set ups" to expose breaches of the law, the police often use young people to test whether shopkeepers are willing to sell them cigarettes and alcohol when they appear to be under 18 (e.g. they may look very young or be in school uniform). The scenario is a "set up" but I think most people would think it justifiable.

It is not the police's job to enforce civil laws and therefore other agencies or individuals must do so. Some people obviously feel that the "cake incident" was pretty trivial and should not have been pursued, but if you have equality laws then they should be adhered to.

Some gay people do come over as ready to fight for the cause even where there is no need. I suppose it is because there is still so much automatic prejudice.

loupylou What do you mean by "in-your-face impositions, whether about gay sex, politics or anything else" ?

If there is a law, is it wrong to expect that law to be followed - and why is it "intimidating"?

Yes loopy I am completely as to what you mean.

And the referendum in Ireland (just one example) shows what people can achieve when they believe they have a just cause and are prepared to fight for it.
Don't really need to refer to suffragettes on here surely? They were a bit in-your-face too.

The cause of Sexual equality has become fashionable. Everything is done to normalise homosexuality. A gay friend is practically a fashion accessory. There is hardly a television show that doesn't have a gay relationship going on. I just wonder if it's necessary.

Something can be acceptable without being normal.

A gay friend a fashion accessory? I would say that for well over the last 35 years I have always had in my close circle at least one gay person that I would call a friend. It's bloody insulting to talk about it as though they were a pashmina - they are/have been my friends because we really got on well together, shared common values and interests and really liked each other and were there for each other when the going got tough . Sometimes I knew they were gay from the outset, sometimes not - it was completely irrelevant. I really don't know wtf you are talking about.

My dd was at a gay wedding this weekend - my dgs just accepts that there were two brides in pretty white dresses. There was nothing to get in your face about - it was just a lovely wedding of two people who love each other. Shame it couldn't happen in that wonderful Christian country aka NI.

I think you are being "in your face" grannytwice. Why so aggressive?

I'm not at all bothered about gay register office weddings. No religion involved in any civil weddings. Not sure about church ones though.

not aggressive at all - just find thoughtless posts about gay friends as fashion accessories need addressing in no uncertain terms