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ESTRANGEMENT- The silent epidemic! Let's get this out of the cupboard.

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Otw10413 Wed 18-Feb-15 22:13:05

It is time to quantify the terrible development in our increasingly secular family lives, the pain and heartache faced by those who have been 'cut out' of their Children's and Grandchildren's lives. Please, whether it was for a brief and now resolved, or extended or as in my case, repeated period, could you add your story, just one entry per tragic tale. It is something that our sociologists should start researching as it is clearly a very damaging development to all sides, hence the silence that shrouds the pain. I personally have lost access rights to my grandchildren, and I have no doubt about the loss and pain I suffer but also the positive influence and confidence gained by small children from their interaction with loving grandparents (already measured) is ignored as a right of the young. So why hasn't this society taken steps to ensure that such damaging behaviours are limited for the sake of the children; it is their way to connect with their histories and for many, it has led to the inspiration behind many many great lives. It may be painful but I think that this is an invisible infection which has taken hold in an ever-increasing "disposable"society. It might be useful to explain what you feel lies behind the terrible decision to stop talking and what you feel might be the answer in your case. Also how you cope/coped with the prolonged or short periods of estrangement.
Thank you if you can let your story be counted.
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celebgran Fri 10-Feb-17 21:23:33

Rights? Arrabra?,no one has rights to any other human being,

Araabra Fri 10-Feb-17 19:34:38

Smiles Yes, parents do have rights to their children. Parental and children's rights that far supersede GP rights, in this area.

Smileless2012 Fri 10-Feb-17 16:28:35

Yes Celeb, very rude and eddiecat don't despair just be thankful that we don't have anything in common with them.

You're right of course willsmadan, "there is a hard-core of narrow minded individuals on this (thread)" and now you've posted, there's one more. As for the 'woe-is-me' thread you refer too, I haven't come across that one.

There are two other threads about estrangement on which posters who aren't affected by estrangement have posted their shock at some of the nastiness this subject seems to attract.

Parents do not have rights to their children Araabra, they do not have the right to unjustifiably deny their children a relationship with their extended family. When cases go to court, it's the children's rights that are paramount, not those of their parents and GP's.

eddiecat78 Fri 10-Feb-17 07:54:43

I despair of some of the lack of empathy shown by some of the women on this site.

Araabra Thu 09-Feb-17 23:20:10

willsmadnan "There is a hard-core of narrowminded individuals on this and 'the other 'woe-is-me' thread." "I'm 73 and I despair of some of the bitter old women on this site."

Brilliant.

celebgran Thu 09-Feb-17 20:00:24

Bitter old women

Woe is me thread

Does anyone with any common decency or basic good manners not find those remarks rude?

celebgran Thu 09-Feb-17 19:58:18

Pay people? To treat u well? No it's called respect, courtesy and good t is something that we should all practice it doesn't or shouldn't depend on how well we treat people.

Araabra Thu 09-Feb-17 18:12:55

Giving gifts is ok, but not if anything is expected in return. That's trade. Don't pay people to treat you well. I know you'd like it if your dd advocated for you, but that is not what she is choosing to do.

celebgran Thu 09-Feb-17 10:53:32

Undeserved? Entitled?

What sort of amateur psychologist are u trying to be arrabra

At 70 one would hope you would realise that love and respect are all that is needed

Araabra Wed 08-Feb-17 23:45:00

I'm 70. None of the posts have been rude or insulting.

Posters are merely trying to point out entitled thoughts that lead to estrangement. GC are not GPs children, only parents have rights to them. Time with GC is gift that is undeserved, given by parents.

celebgran Wed 08-Feb-17 22:37:54

Katek i am shocked you can agree with such a rude insulting post!

celebgran Wed 08-Feb-17 21:39:43

Oops at73 if you can be as rude as that little hope for you now is there?
That's willsmsdmnan

Age isn't a barrier to rudeness and lack of compassion in your case.

I wonder why you read threads if u ? despair maybe U bored?

celebgran Wed 08-Feb-17 21:37:43

Will adnan how very rude your post is did you mean it to be?

Eddiecat ??we know exactly what you meant,

Katek Wed 08-Feb-17 19:45:24

Hear hear, willsmadnan. There is an inability on this thread to entertain the very thought that others may have a relevant or meaningful opinion. Pot, kettle, black springs to mind.

eddiecat78 Wed 08-Feb-17 19:20:56

I`m afraid you misunderstood me. No, of course youth does not equal narrow mindedness - but perhaps narrow mindedness and the inability to believe anything outside of your own experience does come from a lack of maturity - which isn`t always to do with age.

willsmadnan Wed 08-Feb-17 19:05:21

Eddicat ... are you aware of how insulting you have been towards two posters who dare to put TPW.' They must be a lot younger than most of us because they are so narrow-minded'. FFS..... youth equals narrow mindedness now ???? It would be ironic, if you understood irony. There is a hard-core of narrowminded individuals on this and 'the other 'woe-is- me' thread. BTW .... I'm 73 and I despair of some of the bitter old women on this site.

Fairydoll2030 Wed 08-Feb-17 18:22:37

Notanan

'Privilige' didn't facilitate my travel. WORK did. smile

Smileless2012 Wed 08-Feb-17 11:11:31

Unbelievable notanan, in the light of your posts on this thread you have the nerve to accuse others of lacking in empathy and being judgemental shock. Well thanks for making me laugh.

For the record, some fathers DO find maintaining contact with their children virtually impossible if their ex wife or partner doesn't want them to do so. The withdrawal of legal aid for contact cases has resulted in many being unable to afford the legal costs to pursue their cases through the courts. Of course it isn't just mothers who out their own grievances before the rights of their children, fathers are just as capable of such selfishness.

As my example of my husband's friend clearly demonstrated, it IS possible for GP's to see their GC even if their AC want nothing to do with them. Sadly for many of us there are many AC who are so entrenched in their unfounded bitterness and resentment that they use their children as weapons.

We know our ES and his wife have no justification in preventing us from seeing our GC. His entire family knows this to be true as do several of his friends. We've asked if we can see them and been ignored. We've asked why we can't see them and been ignored.

As for being able to communicate the needs and welfare to GP's if they are seeing their GC but have no relationship with their GC's parents, if there's a will, there's a way.

As most of us accept because we have the maturity to do so, if a contact order is made by the courts and the parent the child is living with doesn't make that child available, the only course of action is return to court.

celebgran Wed 08-Feb-17 09:06:04

Well said eddiecat meanwhile let's go back to our normal thread

Leave them to argue alone?

Neither of them bring anything positive and I wonder what their real issue is?

eddiecat78 Wed 08-Feb-17 08:00:51

I think Notanan & Co must be a lot younger than most of us - they are so narrow minded that they won`t believe anything that they don`t have personal experience of. The rest of us have seen more of life. We are very aware that there are some terrible parents/grandparents who don`t deserve to be part of their childrens/grandchildrens lives. We also know that estrangement can happen without any provocation and for purely selfish reasons. Notanan & Co should try to open their eyes to what is going on outside of their own little worlds

celebgran Tue 07-Feb-17 23:27:11

Notan I am suprise u seem a police expert?
Do you have personal experience?

I can categorically state my niece was awarded full custody and able to cut the dad out completely he didn't have the funds to challenge it, they were t married admittedly.
Yes the police did believe her lies and IMO it is very sad for 3 children. To lose their dad.
She is by no means alone. Women are totally favoured unless they have left the kids or are unfit mothers everyone realises that.

Fairydoll2030 Tue 07-Feb-17 22:10:27

I'm chilled although, I should be sleeping. It's after midnight here.

Vis-a-vis. Fathers for Justice. I didn't quote - I mentioned

Stick that up your comprehension.

Goodnight and God bless

notanan Tue 07-Feb-17 21:52:25

calm down, channel some of that zen an wisdom you claim to have from all of your privilidge travels

Fairydoll2030 Tue 07-Feb-17 21:51:43

So you are an expert on Fathers for Justice, as well as just about everything else? Hmmm....

You could start an arguement with yourself

I can't be arsed..

There's more to life!!

Fairydoll2030 Tue 07-Feb-17 21:46:03

You just don't READ the posts!!!'

I said SOME I repeat S O M E

And to clarify - because it seems I have to - I am referring to UNMARRIEd fathers who don't have PR

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