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AIBU - gambling is truly nasty and pernicious...

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granjura Mon 03-Aug-15 21:06:34

Watching the documentary about gambling in the UK - what a dreadful plague and pest. More gambling bookies in the High Streets of the UK than shops now ... and internet gambling even worse sad
and the poorer, more vulnerable people, and more importantly, their families- are suffering the consequences.

What do you think?

petra Tue 04-Aug-15 18:56:35

Billy Walker was my boss when I worked in his casino. He was very generous with our uniforms, lovely long dresses, very glam, not like now. It was very much like a gentlemen's club.

granjura Tue 04-Aug-15 18:57:44

Well yes, but it is getting close in parts of the UK:

'Local councillors say the street in Newham, east London, has more bookmakers than any other in the country - 18 in total - and 80 in the borough as a whole.'

granjura Tue 04-Aug-15 19:15:02

And from the Guardian last February:

Retail space equalling the size of the vast Westfield shopping centre in west London was converted to new uses last year, as the UK's high streets adapted to changing habits.

Traditional shop space in excess of 1.7m sq ft was lost in 2013 – an increase of more than 60% on 2012 – as betting shops, gyms, bars and restaurants moved into vacant retail premises, according to a report for the industry journal Estates Gazette.

Betting shops were the single most prolific type of new entrant, with 106 winning permission to open last year.

vampirequeen Tue 04-Aug-15 19:17:55

Amongst his many addictions my ex was a gambler. It was bad enough when he had to go to bookies or use machines but internet gambling made it a million times worse. One night when I was in bed he used a new credit card (he'd got it without my knowledge) and maxed it out.......£10K!!!!!

rosesarered Tue 04-Aug-15 22:01:08

Petra, the job sounds rather glam.I love greyhounds as well,they are such gentle dogs, and are as wonderful to watch racing as horses.

rosesarered Tue 04-Aug-15 22:02:38

I can never understand the mentality of pouring cash into a fruit machine in pubs and other places, what a waste of money.

Maggiemaybe Tue 04-Aug-15 22:57:41

No, that sounds bleak, and I have never put money into a pub fruit machine. But I did once put 5 dollars into a slot machine in Vegas and watch while it took over and played itself, with many bells and whistles, to 250 dollars, which I cashed in and spent on perfume on the plane home. Again, subject to the rule of never gambling what you can't afford to lose. Which sadly seems to be the missing link where compulsive gambling is concerned.

numberplease Wed 05-Aug-15 00:12:16

Petra, that brings back memories when you say your mum was a "bookies runner". My mother and stepfather used to bet on the horses long before betting shops were legalised, and we had a bookies runner, a little hunchbacked fella known as "Little Johnny", come to our back door a couple of times a week. I sometimes got the job of handing him the screwed up bit of paper with the bet written on it and the money wrapped up in it.

Jane10 Wed 05-Aug-15 09:41:23

I suspect that gambling is not confined to a few. In the past there was a stigma to being seen going into a betting shop. With online gambling available at everyone's fingertips online and normalised by scratch cards I think the numbers that we hear about are the tip of a pernicious iceberg. Of course I'm biased having seen at close hand (FiL) the awful blight it can be on peoples lives. I don't want to give details as I still find it upsetting.

rosesarered Wed 05-Aug-15 09:44:53

Sorry to hear that Jane.

feetlebaum Thu 06-Aug-15 07:50:26

@rosesarered - Agreed, pub machines are a complete waste of time and money, but I remember a gig on an American Air Force Base in Suffolk, where the band was generally broke, and I had a couple of quarters which I shoved into an old-fashioned one-armed bandit -- I ended up with enough to buy hot food for all six of us!

There is a theory that many gamblers, unknown to themselves, are playing to lose, almost as though seeking punishment in some way.

nightowl Thu 06-Aug-15 08:29:24

I haven't heard that before feetlebaum but I can believe it. It often seems to go hand in hand with other addictions, in people who are in self-destruct mode.

PRINTMISS Thu 06-Aug-15 09:35:23

My dad was a compulsive gambler, it was mum who brought the money in, because we lived with grans, aunts and uncles who could look after me. He was also a bookmakers clerk, a bookies runner, and at boxing matches would be one of the people who held up the number of the round at the beginning of a round. I spent many a night watching him and a group of his pals sitting at our kitchen table playing whatever it was they were playing and the money passing from one to the other - he would sometimes gamble his winnings on the horses on cards in the train home - He sometimes travelled by car, and on several occasions he would come running in throw the bookies equipment in the cellar and sit exhausted - something had obviously gone wrong, and they had done a runner. I would see him arrive home with a roll of notes in his pocket, some of which he would give my mum, the next day he would be broke. At the age of 55 he stopped smoking, cut back on the gambling and got a job, just like that, no idea why. His last journey on this earth was a visit to the bookies at the end of the road, he came home and died in the armchair. He was a lovely dad, gentle as a lamb with me and his grand-daughter, but he told my husband on the day we got married that if ever he harmed me he would set the gang on him, yes he was on the edge of the underworld as it was then. I never had a serious discussion with him, but he was still my dad. Sorry that is going on a bit!

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Georgesgran Wed 28-May-25 19:39:30

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petra Wed 28-May-25 19:50:10

Georgesgran

*REPORTED*. Old thread resurrected by Spammer.

I knew from the posters name how old it is. They have had several since that one.

M0nica Wed 28-May-25 20:03:42

In Europe most people gamble at Casinos, they are far more common there than here.

I have only once been to a casino. It was the Royal Victoria Sporting Club near Marble Arch. I wnet to with a boy friend jsut to see what it was like - and it made me feel physically sick.

People were sat around the various games pushing plastic gaming tokens on numbers and when they lost their faces were absolutely impassiv. When they ran out of tokens they opened their wallets and dropped £20 notes on the table, several of them, this was around 1966, when they lost them their faces did not change. This is what made me feel sick. If they has shown some emotion, it might have been better.

The Casino was in the North Paddington constituency where the criminal landlord Peter Rachman rack rented flats and turfed tenants out at will. I was politically active in the constituency and I knew there were council flats less than 100 yards from the Casino, where a £20 note, would have been greeted as manna from heaven, enough to feed a family for a month.

TheWeirdoAgain1 Sat 31-May-25 09:29:07

Some years ago when I was in my 30s I knew a man who worked on the roads as a road liner, he did all the yellow and white lines etc. etc., late 20s with a mrs and 3 young kids and he's go to the local cafe for breakfast before work and they had 3 or 4 gambling machines in there ... one-armed-bandits and so on and he'd drop in up to £70.00 a time and only win a few quid back or quite regularly nothing at all then he'd moan bitterly that his wife was threatening to divorce him but they were a low income family, she was on a low wage and they had various rents, bills.

When he won he'd shove the winnings straight back into the machine and spent the rest of his money on his own beers and fags. he was useless.

I hope his mrs did divorce him!

RosieandherMaw Sat 31-May-25 13:47:19

petra

Georgesgran

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I knew from the posters name how old it is. They have had several since that one.

For a moment I thought Jura had gone full circle and returned, reverting to an early name ! 🤣🤣🤣

Wyllow3 Sat 31-May-25 14:03:31

Definitely ban all TV advertising. I took the point made well above, tho a long time ago that taxes raised on gambling are outdone by the money spent on family situations crushed by it.
There are strict regulations about what sort of adverts can appear tho

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7428/#:~:text=Gambling%20operators%20selling%20into%20the,Advertising%20Standards%20Authority%20(ASA).

And apparently black market gambling is on the rise to subvert the guildlines (Uncontrolled social Media?)

butterandjam Sat 31-May-25 14:18:07

Gambling addiction/ problem gambling , like drug and tobacco addiction or alcoholism can be serious, damaging, change lives.

But lets stay rational.

They are ONE end of a spectrum of behaviours . At the other end, the same behaviours, in moderation are harmless fun , life enhancing pleasures. A drink with dinner, a lottery ticket, a bet on the grand national.

Magenta8 Sat 31-May-25 14:23:58

petra

Roses. Loved Walthamstow stadium. We had a few dogs racing there.

I never went inside but I used to love going past after dark to see the neon sign with the running greyhound.

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keepingquiet Sun 01-Feb-26 18:15:43

Georgesgran

*REPORTED*. Old thread resurrected by Spammer.

Resurrected again it would seem!