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not to want Agatha Christie sexed up.

(52 Posts)
Christinefrance Wed 14-Dec-16 12:16:52

I have seen the write up for a Christie production over Christmas , it will include scenes of rape and swearing using the 'f' word.
This is not what I want from a Christie story, how do others feel ?

Grannyknot Wed 14-Dec-16 12:19:20

How weird.shock

Grannyknot Wed 14-Dec-16 12:19:52

Sexing up Christie I mean, not your post Christine smile

Anniebach Wed 14-Dec-16 12:42:14

No. No. No.

sunseeker Wed 14-Dec-16 13:27:31

I agree - totally unnecessary. These stories can stand on their own. I remember watching one adaptation where the heroine didn't marry the hero but instead went off with a female character giving the impression it had become a gay relationship. No, I am not saying there is anything wrong with gay relationships (before anyone jumps down my throat), just that it is not in the original story.

Welshwife Wed 14-Dec-16 13:30:22

I think that sometimes modern productions use language that would not have been used at the time the story is set. I think that there are more and more of these things happening lately. I am not keen on the practise at all - at times has spoiled the production.

I don't like to watch Shakespeare in modern dress - I can understand the language being modernised so it is understood by everyone but not the change of dress - but that maybe because I then have more problem identifying the characters!!

Jane10 Wed 14-Dec-16 13:34:18

No. Agatha Christie stories don't need sexed up. Its all wrong!

vampirequeen Wed 14-Dec-16 13:37:49

Disgusting and totally unnecessary.

rosesarered Wed 14-Dec-16 13:45:01

Don't remember any rape scenes in her books....so made up then?
They are normally good old fashioned family viewing for Christmas, perhaps not in this case.

Elegran Wed 14-Dec-16 13:49:32

Exactly. Why bother dramatising an Agatha Christie if they don't like it - they could take the trouble to write their own.

Cherrytree59 Wed 14-Dec-16 13:50:21

NO!
Non!
Nein!

Ana Wed 14-Dec-16 13:51:58

Goodness, no! I can't even remember any Agatha Christie stores where rape was even hinted at...(except possibly as soething 'unpleasant' that had happened in the dim and distant past).

I thought 'And Then There Were None' was done very well last Christmas, athough some of the language was a) not of the period and b) quite sweary!

Hope the BBC hasn't overdone it this time...

Ana Wed 14-Dec-16 13:52:37

stories not stores!

Elegran Wed 14-Dec-16 13:54:21

Her books were not as naive as these "modernisers" appear to think. There are several of them where two women are living together in rather intense relationships, and some of the stories imply unwanted attention from bounders and cads. The difference is that she didn't find it necessary to the plot to follow her characters into the bedroom, she left it to the reader to add details as they wished. A pity that is not the policy of some writers today. Less is more where sex scenes are concerned.

Granny23 Wed 14-Dec-16 14:57:51

Since DH mentioned it a couple of months ago, I have been taking note and he is right. Almost every time a gay couple meet or depart in the soaps they exchange a kiss, but heterosexual couples never do. I do not have a problem with couples of any variety kissing each other, even before the watershed (although I would prefer not to witness anything more intimate) but cannot understand why the scriptwriters only include Gay Kisses. confused

Elegran Wed 14-Dec-16 16:01:09

The scriptwriters are very busy demonstrating that they are Inclusive and Not Prejudiced, Granny23 so they don't notice that they haven't included the heterosexual majority.

felice Wed 14-Dec-16 17:20:37

I watched a movie version of Evil Under the Sun just a couple of nights ago, great character cast, Joan Collins etc.
I saw that Witness for the Prosecution was going to be on.
I will give it a try but do not understand the reason for 'sexting it up'. If they want do productions of the classics they should respect them.

absent Wed 14-Dec-16 17:54:01

Surely the problem with producing an Agatha Christie story is that the David Suchet Poirot series was so well done in terms of authenticity and faithfulness to the plot, not to mention sheer charm – and the Miss Marples were pretty good too – that it is almost impossible to improve on them. Thus the choice to take the easy route to grab an audience with some 21st-century "reality" by those with no imagination.

grannypiper Wed 14-Dec-16 18:17:11

NO !

Christinefrance Wed 14-Dec-16 18:57:28

The stories are of their time and this gratuitous use of violence and swearing does them no favours. I have no problem with swearing or violence if it's pertinent to the story line.

David Suchet was brilliant as Poirot I agree.

No family viewing for this one.sad

Cold Wed 14-Dec-16 22:23:33

I think I need to see it before I comment - I mean last year the Daily Mail printed all sorts of hysterial reviews in advance about the "shocking" nature of the adaptation of Christie's ".. and then there were none" that emphasised swearing and drugs. However I found it to be a very good thriller.

I take the DM's reviews with a big pinch of salt as I think a lot is part of their anti-BBC bias

Beammeupscottie Wed 14-Dec-16 23:11:56

If anything is sexed up, it is to sell it to a young market. It seems to be a modern requirement that is tedious to the more mature. But it gets young people watching.
I am personally sick and tired of gratuitous sex in all programmes that I watch.

rubylady Thu 15-Dec-16 04:47:46

Or even adverts, I've had enough of seeing everything sexed up on the adverts. It doesn't make me want to buy anything, in fact it puts me off.

But no, Agetha Christie should not be sexed up. What is wrong with having programmes for the more mature person? Surely we grown into programmes like these as we get older?

LottieSweetpea Thu 15-Dec-16 08:19:45

I wish they would stop changing the plots.
I find myself saying " That wasn't in the book!" repeatedly.
It's not really Agatha Christie at all and shouldn't be called that .

michellehargreaves Thu 15-Dec-16 10:43:34

Bring back Joan Hickson, is what I say!

Jane10 Thu 15-Dec-16 10:57:53

Ooh yes. She was such a subtle and effective Miss Marple.

Lupatria Thu 15-Dec-16 11:04:17

i only watch the miss marples with joan hickson in - can't get on with the others cos i keep looking at the screen wondering where joan hickson is!
fortunately my daughter bought a series of the joan hickson miss marple on dvd so i can watch them when i want.
david suchet IS poirot - watched the film of murder on the orient express once and spent most of the time waiting for him to appear!
but as for sexing agatha christie up - no, no, thrice no.

GranVee Thu 15-Dec-16 11:07:55

No, no, no.
I still watch Miss Marple and Poirot and enjoy them. Expletives and graphic sex are used far too much these days under the pretence of "real" life. I think it is just laziness, weak storylines and lack of good acting.

annifrance Thu 15-Dec-16 11:20:58

Oh purlees!! AG is iconic and a cannon in our literary heritage and of it's time. Leave them alone! Agree Joan Hickson and David Suchet were perfect as Miss Marple and Poirot.

radicalnan Thu 15-Dec-16 11:31:01

I do not want to see Agatha Christie at all.

Teetime Thu 15-Dec-16 11:48:27

The charm and enjoyment of AC stories and dramatisations is that they are set in the time and context in which they were written. No I don't want them modernised they are wonderful just they way they are.

Ramblingrose22 Thu 15-Dec-16 11:50:11

I saw the write-up and thought "Here we go again".....!

The only "advantage" of such treatment is that it may introduce people to the writer whose books they would not otherwise read.A bit like making Darcy in "Pride and Prejudice" emerge from a lake when Elizabeth Bennett turned up at Pemberley - not in the book.

It seems that the only way to get people to watch anything is to add extra "excitement". The film has to compete with other so-called "exciting" TV programmes at Christmas.

I expect we'll have a sexy "Jane Eyre" before too long: Mr Rochester seduces the innocent Jane having locked his wife in the attic so that he can subjugate said wife and play SDM games!

Legs55 Thu 15-Dec-16 12:05:23

I suppose they'll be starting on Jane Austen, the Brontes, Dickens & goodness knows who else soon. Nothing turns me off more than "sexed up" programmes or remakes of classic films - so "that's a big fat NO from me" tchconfused

Margs Thu 15-Dec-16 12:38:55

Ye gods - is nothing sacred anymore?

I agree with the contributor Sunseeker: these wonderfully clever and quality stories have stood on their own for decades,so which media 'consultant' decided "Hey! I know - let's spice up Agatha Christie by adding a hefty dose of the Harold Robbins factor. And let's get some cheesecake totty from The Only Way Is Essex to play Miss Marple......."

If it ain't broke then DON'T fix it!

Cherrytree59 Thu 15-Dec-16 13:15:13

Ruby I agree about the ads
My personal gripe is with the
'over sexed' Perfume ads.

luluaugust Thu 15-Dec-16 13:45:05

As its a stage play and film why can't they just do the script as written.

chrissyh Thu 15-Dec-16 14:10:21

No, no, no. This is why I love watching Christie. I think we have become so desensitised to swearing these days but leave Christie alone.

Bijou Thu 15-Dec-16 15:54:12

I agree with Cherrytree about the perfume sexy perfume ads. They must cost a bomb to make with well paid stars in them which is reflected in the price of the product.
I had to turn off a BBC recommended film the other evening because of the frequent use of the f word. Also it is unnecessary to show the whole sex act. I remember the days when the door shut in a film or a row of dots in a book.
Regarding turning a book into a play or film it must be difficult to be true to it. Give me a book any time.

NanKate Thu 15-Dec-16 16:13:52

What a sad situation.

So it will be a polically correct, diverse, inclusive, foul mouthed, sexual Christmas production. sad This is the BBC in 2016.

Bring back Muffin the Mule that's what I say. grin

Wheniwasyourage Thu 15-Dec-16 17:36:31

It must be very difficult to avoid making a total mess of trying to update books which are of their era, like Agatha Christie's, so why on earth do they bother? As Margs says, the stories stand on their own. I remember listening to a radio adaptation of "Smallbone Deceased" by Michael Gilbert, which is one of my all-time favourite books and published in 1950. For some reason they tried to set it some decades later, and it just didn't work.

On a similar subject, we went to see "Scrooge" at the Pitlochry Festival Theatre, and as it's a musical, of course it isn't 100% true to the book, but that is fair enough for a musical,and it was very well done. However, spoiler alert, the Ghost of Christmas Past turned out at the last minute to be the ghost of Scrooge's dead sister. It added nothing to the plot - quite the reverse - and seemed to me to be an annoying irrelevance. Think I managed to keep my mutterings silent for the sake of the rest of the audience!

joannewton46 Thu 15-Dec-16 17:57:52

Since Miss Marple had a relationship with a married serving officer who died in the Great War, you can hardly call the stories innocent. BUT we do not need more violence than is already in the stories - they are murders after all - to make them eminently watchable.

M0nica Thu 15-Dec-16 18:11:28

All it illustrates is how lacking in creative imagination the current load of television producers/director/writers are.

The idea of sexing up Agatha Christie is so banal, unimaginative and cliched. It is what is done to every older author who managed to write a really good book without full frontal nudity and violence.

I read a survey recently saying younger people are having less sex than ever before. I assume this bunch of creatives are so sex starved they cannot even cope with pornography so have to try and sex-up simple straight forward stories like Agatha Christie's because that is all they are capable of.

Grandmama Thu 15-Dec-16 19:26:13

Why do producers etc have to re-make everything? The recent 'Dad's Army' was a waste of money (I absolutely would not want to see it, the original was written with the actors in mind), Porridge, Reginald Perrin etc were perfectly suited to the actors. I object to Disney, too. He alters our stories - wasn't the Fat Controller altered to be more PC? Joan Hickson was perfect as Miss Marple. Old B&W films are wonderful, ruined by being updated, different slants put to the story lines. Leave stories in the original as the writer intended.

Theoddbird Thu 15-Dec-16 21:54:16

I have been a big Agatha Christie fan forever. I have most of her books...have them in hard back. This is not how the books were written. There is flirting and occasionally things are implied. There is no need for more. There is definitely no need for swearing...

Witzend Thu 15-Dec-16 22:19:15

Must say I really don't like a lot of the more modern Christie productions - in particular the ITV 'Marple' series. It's MISS Marple, thank you very much! They rewrite the plots, add this and that, and (to me) often wreck them.
To me there will never be any Miss Marple to hold a candle to the Joan Hickson versions - Agatha herself wanted Hickson for the part - or any Poirot to match David Suchet.

Prime example of ruination to me is the Hickson vs. modern ITV version of Sleepimg Murder. The Hickson version is seriously creepy and atmospheric - it gave me the shivers when I first saw it. All that was utterly absent from the ITV version.

gulligranny Thu 15-Dec-16 22:22:50

I so agree that Joan Hickson was the perfect Miss Marple. Heaven knows what was behind the dreadfulness of Geraldine McEwan's portrayal.

Bluecat Thu 15-Dec-16 23:40:32

Don't have strong feelings either way about Christie novels, as I find them rather silly, but the sight of Aidan Turner clad only in a towel in last year's "And Then There Were None" was one of the highlights of the festive season!

Synonymous Fri 16-Dec-16 13:48:34

Christine I totally agree. Leave the classics undamaged! Changing anything that Agatha Christie wrote will not improve on perfection. It is merely the same old 'dumbing down' so that nobody is called upon to think or use their intelligence.

Where is the talent nowadays? If people want modern plays, films and books surely there are authors out there who can supply them.
Or is it a question of budget? Is it cheaper to take a hatchet to literature where the royalties are no longer due? hmm

threexnanny Fri 16-Dec-16 13:49:53

I thought the Margaret Rutherford version is to be shown?

I don't think anyone would have accused her of being sexy!

Witzend Fri 16-Dec-16 17:01:45

Wasn't Margaret Rutherford in an early version of The 4.50 From Paddington?

I've often wondered whether AC got the idea while on a train after dark. Another train passed, with the carriages all lit up, so for a few seconds she saw clearly inside those carriages, and she thought, 'What if...?'

Nelliemoser Fri 16-Dec-16 23:11:56

Please No. There are far too many TV, film, or books which seem to have been force fed with bizarrely haphazard sex scenes which do nothing to enhance the storyline.

Jadi Tue 27-Dec-16 10:13:14

Watched it last night, brilliantly acted, but grim and depressing, with one really gratuitous sex scene. It reminded me a bit of Rillington Place - wrong Christie!