AIBU to expect the shop to close ?

I always feel very humbled & privileged to be there or near someone who is dying or recently died. You can also be respectful of them according to your own beliefs, such as offer a prayer or in silence or meditate on their life & send positive thoughts to the people they leave behind - you can even raise your cup of coffee to them. You can also offer supportive words to the staff. If nothing else ponder your own mortality & how you live life. For whom the bell tolls? It tolls for thee. Is that what the upset is really about?
It is much better to be affected by the death than feel nothing but there are useful things you can do with these feelings rather than focus on your own upset. The worst is when people complain to staff about sections or whole places being closed because of an unexpected incident. I've worked with staff who could eventually get their heads around an armed raid or murder in their shop/café but not the customers who complained they couldn't finish their meal or purchase, though shock does make people behave strangely.

Good post, bionic. To quote Ben Shapiro in support: "Facts don't care about your feelings".

It's the blaming in the OP of a supermarket doing what supermarkets do that I object to and the subsequent wimpering about upset feelings. We should own our own feelings that nobody else has caused, just events, facts, life. I'm not objecting to the feelings, just their being blamed on something other than a straightforward event that we just have to deal with. The expectation that we should be shielded from reality is silly. People die.

And if you think supermarkets are beyond the civilised pail of necessary shopping and ordinary everyday capitalism that makes the world go round (check out Yuval Noah Harari for explanation), then you shouldn't be in a supermarket.

? Ive actually read the posts, people do not have sudden death protocols written into their contracts working in tesco or wherever. It would have been great if the isles were cordoned off but no one really knows what to do!

I do now see "Bionicwomans" point about the chaos for potential visitors driving up to the supermarkets. It would be dreadful.

Oh dear - does no-one read previous posts?
Let me summarise the truth about sudden deaths as I know exactly what I'm talking about (see my comment 3 pages back).
1. Paramedics can certify life extinct. No need for a doctor.
2. There is no such thing as a police mortuary. Bodies go to the local hospital for PM if necessary. If the death is suspicious the PM is carried out by an authorised Home Office pathologist - a specialist in such matters - at the hospital.
3. If the police have attended (which they will have) the body can be moved if not suspicious.
4. Bodies are not usually removed by ambulances, but there are, of course, exceptions e.g. if someone had dropped dead outside a school.
5. There is a list of undertakers used by police for removing bodies. Because long ago there was corruption in the 1960s, with officers taking payment to call out certain UTs, since then the list is revolved at the Control Room, so the 'next on the list' is called out.
6. Shutting a supermarket for a non-emergency, however distasteful you might find it, is not really an option. Nothing to do with profit, just asking a lot of people to exit a store for an indefinite period which blocks up the car park or other refuge with people still arriving is a nightmare. It's bad enough when there's a genuine emergency!
7. There will not necessarily be a post mortem if the man's own doctor is prepared to sign the death certificate as to cause e.g. serious heart condition, doctor had seen him less than two weeks before for that condition, death is consistent with that condition.
8. I am not callous; like most people I find death sad and I treat bodies with respect. However, having a nice, clean dead body near me would not bother me in the slightest, having dealt with all sorts of suicides, accidents, road traffic collisions and long dead bodies in my time. I am immured, not callous.
Does that answer everybody's questions and set a few uniformed comments to rest?

Thank you for the info MawBroon.

Thank you for the info MawBroon.

Thank you for the info MawBroon.

Thank you for the info MawBroon.

When my two children were 5 and 8 I saw a demonstration at the front of the ASDA. Paramedics were giving a demo of resuscitation of two people. I thought it was a good idea that the children saw this and we stood watching with me giving them an explanation at every step. Some man then started shouting at me and calling me insensitive etc. To my horror and realisation it was real! We went out quickly and security told me a man collapsed and then his wife also collapsed in shock. I cried all the way home. My poor kids were oblivious thankfully.

Yes they should have closed the store in your instance.

Well, that doesn't appear to be what happened in this case!

If there is an unexplained death anywhere in the UK and let`s face it collapsing in a supermarket and dying IS an unexpected death, then the Police must be called and stay with the body until someone from the Police Mortuary takes away the body for examination. Otherwise if this deceased person had been poisoned or had been involved perhaps in a RTA prior to his visit to the supermarket, the person(s) brought in for possible questioning in respect of the `poisoning` or `RTA` could simply say the Police had not followed the Legal protocols leaving no case to answer.

The shop should have closed right there. For no other reason than the dignity of the deaceased. All customers should have been requested to leave.
My objection is the stores total lack of respect for the deceased.

I wonder which store did not want to lose any takings for an hour or so despite a death in the store.
As others have said, the police as well as a doctor have to be involved when there is a sudden death.

I would not personally be upset by the idea of the body being there, just probably feel sorry for his friends and relatives.

Since sitting with my Mil who died a couple of hours before we arrived, after a dash from up north, I have felt very different about death. We sat with my lovely Mil holding her hand and talking about her until the undertaker arrived. It was not scary and felt very comfortable.

This happened at M and S recently and they closed the whole aisle which was relatively private

AIBU is short for Am I Being Unreasonable
You will find the other acronyms if you click the green box on the far right above the thread title (desktop version)

What does AIBU mean? I feel awful for the poor man, surely he should have been moved by ambulance by then. Why didn't they close the store temporarily and as for the screen, cardboard boxes? Disgusting.

I find this whole episode appalling. The store should have been shut immediately. The man should have been taken to hospital where he would have been pronounced dead, and under no circumstances should the paramedics have left him. It's almost like a scene from a TV programme.

Such an upsetting thing for everyone, Paramedics cannot pronounce anyone dead,I think the store could have diverted the shoppers so they didnt have to pass by this incident, while waiting for the undertakers. The whole thing seems so bizarre.
Izzywizzy I hope you feel much better now, a big hug x

AIBU to expect the shop to close? Certainly not. There should be a procedure in place whereby the shop is immediately shut as a mark of respect and to give the deceased man some dignity. If I had witnessed the events as you did I'd write to head of the store and tell 'em so.

Last year our local ambulance service was reprimanded for leaving a dead man overnight on the floor of the garage as their shift was coming to an end. Not much respect for the dead there.

Shop staff won't be allowed to move a body anyway. They are not trained to do that and might cause themselves an injury.

Anyway, that's me done on this thread!

I don't think they could just cart him around willy-nilly. And they might not want to.

But I thought the authorities had all been and they were just waiting for the Undertakers...

No-one is allowed to move a dead person in the circumstances described, ana, until the police have been and established it was not caused unlawfully. Important evidence might be destroyed.