Rehousing issue for Grenfell Towers survivors

I really don't understand why private landlords have been mentioned - they are, in my view, irrelevant. Fire safety measures on a tower block can't be carried out piecemeal - they would have to be the responsibility of one body and presumably that body was the Grenfell Management Company.

The council is getting the flak because they presumably chose the management company and should have had some oversight of how it was operating. Why are you trying to defend the indefensible anniebach?

Thank you Petra

annie
14 flats were privately owned at Grenfell Tower.

But you haven't explained the difference between people of colour and skin colour, just to clear up what you think is my mistake

I think mostly has clearly explained why the council is responsible for the rehousing because all the issues around the fire are probably ultimately the responsibility of the council. The private flats will be leasehold not freehold and it will be within the responsibility of the coumcil's remit to fulfil those responsibilities. Private owners will have had no say whatsoever in the maintenance of the building whether they were living in a flat or renting it out.

Thank you mostlyharmless.

Strange not one private landlord has given an interview and if some flats were private rents I don't understand why it is the councils responsibility to rehouse these tenants

annie I think Grenfell Tower, like most council/social housing, will have some private landlords because of Margaret Thatcher's right to buy scheme which sold flats (leasehold) to tenants. Over the years those tenants may have sold them on to others as private residences or as landlords.

The private landlords will have had very little say in the management of the block as the council will have run it (through a Tenant Management Company). Individual landlords will have just as little say in its management as the tenants do. They will be paying an annual management fee.

I am not feeding the need sorry,

I will wait for someone to confirm that
both the council and private landlords have shared ownership of the tower block

Skin colour is not the same as people of colour?

Sorry about using wrong name , an error

And 'people of colour' is not the same as 'skin colour'

What on earth are you talking about - when I first started posting you used that name to me and I ignored it as I didn't know what you were on about - I even searched for it and couldn't find it. Is it acceptable to say posters are someone they aren't?

It's quite simple really if someone is openly on your side the fact that they may not know the issues your race or colour has involved will not matter because they will listen to you. If a panel is sitting in judgement or making rulings it is reasonable to think they should be drawn from the widest possible mix reflecting the people who will be affected, how else can they recognise the concerns of those people?

Mansfield may be giving his services free but they don't have a problem with his skin colour do they?

And Rigsby, please do not turn disagreements back on me, it was not I who brought up skin colour

Thanks for that info - durham although it doesn't surprise me.

If I ever had to hire a barrister, I'd like it to be Michael Mansfield.
However, the Grenfell survivors are not hiring him. He is giving his expertise for free, which is even better., as are all the Lawyers4Grenfell.

Well I think some of your posts are being used for political gain as well - why are you posting such harsh things? There is a perfectly rational reasonable argument to be made in favour of the judge's position without sounding so angry and making comments about the tenants renting from people the same colour as them

Not at all angry, upset this disaster is being used for political gain.

If I ever have to hire a barrister, I won't care whether or not he knows how I feel - that's not his role - I would just want him to be very experienced

Well I expect Louise Christian and Michael Mansfield are involved because of their life times of experience in fighting for the less privileged in our society and not because of the colour of their skin. Why are your posts so angry annie? I watched Jon Snow's interview with the mother and son and could only feel compassion for them as I sat in my warm, safe house surrounded by all my life times possessions. I understand that many survivors will feel marginalised because of what happened with warnings ignored for years. I can understand that some of them have no faith in the process because of that. I've read accounts by them of life in hotels with their children - they feel ignored.

But he isn't the same skin colour so how can he really know how they feel?

It could be because they trust him, Annie.

They don't want all the panel to be BAME, just one would do.

Is it usual in England for councils and private landlords to own blocks of flats and if so why is the council getting all the flack and no private landlord been interviewed?

www.politics.co.uk/news/2017/09/14/social-cleansing-hundreds-of-families-moved-out-of-london-bo

Wonder why Michael Mansfield is on the tenants legal team, wrong skin colour surely

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/09/14/will-grenfell-really-change-attitudes-towards-social-housing