Rehousing issue for Grenfell Towers survivors

If nobody knows how many people in total were in the flats on the night of the fire, then nobody will know how many died even, possibly after as much searching for clues as can be done has been done and even supposing more information comes forward about missing people who might have been in the tower. That is not cover up; it is simply not knowing.

Everything I've read so far has specified "at least". This suggests that it is expected there will be more in the final toll but nobody knows who yet. That's not cover up either; it's simply not knowing.

What I ( and other posters) are saying is why should there be any cover up about the numbers of dead? For what purpose?
Identifying remains must be a hugely difficult task.
Being influenced by conspiracy theories on social media is daft.

Kensington and Chelsea council lists the block as containing 120 flats. It was built in 1974 and was thought to house 400-550 people.

If nobody knows how many people there were in the flats that night, there's ample room for a cover-up.
The people in Grenfell said they had told the council that they were worried about fire over five years ago.
The man who is now deputy on the council, who was on the housing committee, denies ever knowing about it.
Cover-up.

www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/heres-how-legal-experts-say-the-grenfell-inquiry-can-avoid

I don't think we will ever know for sure exactly how many people were killed that night, people may have been visiting who have not been reported missing for whatever reason, or not The authorities are still working in very dangerous conditions and there is absolutely no reason why the numbers should be hushed up - why should they be?

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/grenfell-tower-fire-12yearold-girl-and-stillborn-baby-latest-to-be-identified-as-victims-of-tragedy-a3600641.html

there are allegations that suicide figures are being hushed up Ana.
durhamjen Mon 31-Jul-17 18:07:45
As are the figures of those who died in the fire.

How can you claim there's a cover up when the coroner is still working on identification? The press has reported estimates, that's all. No one knows the answer yet, even the conspiracy theorists.

Why would there be any cover up on numbers killed in the fire?
Ditto that for suicides, in any case you cannot 'cover up' suicides in this country.

Believing conspiracy theories about this is crazy.

I think the people managing the portfolios would feel that their loyalties would lie with their clients.

Didn't know that about the Cadogan Estate. I suppose I just assumed most of them were owned by people abroad, Qatar, China etc.

That's a point, Ilovecheese.
However, if I knew my company had property in London, I think I would find out if I had any feelings for these people.
I'd be surprised if those people in Qatar did not keep an eye on UK news at the moment, particularly with Brexit.

Lots of empty houses are owned by the Cadogan Estate, which is nominally British.

Roses, how can you claim that?
Do you know lots of things that the enquiry doesn't yet know?
Or do you just shut your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears?

Why are the police saying that they have reason to suspect that there was corporate manslaughter?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/31/grenfell-fire-inquiry-may-have-to-suspend-work-if-cps-brings-charges

Where will this leave the people who have yet to be properly housed?

I was thinking about the empty luxury properties and I bet that some of the people that own them don't even know that they own them, they will just be part of an investment portfolio being managed for them.
So the owners never really got the chance to do the decent thing and let somebody else live in them for a year or so.

Paranoia seems to be the order of the day!
There is no cover up on anything.

As are the figures of those who died in the fire.

There are reports on Twitter of four suicides recently. Can't be sure how accurate the figures are obviously as there are allegations that suicide figures are being hushed up Ana.

I've just read that 14 councillors on Kensington and Chelsea council are property developers.

It does seem that property law, some of it a long way from ideal, is at least some of what is getting in the way of empty homes bring used for Grenfell survivors. I guess it can't be changed overnight even with the best will in the world.

Sorry -crossed posts.

Yes, 'attempts' being the operative word.

Perhaps you should check your sources, mostlyharmless.

Grenfell suicides:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/20-suicide-attempts-grenfell-tower-fire-kensington-council-meeting-a7862096.html

www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ACAW_enGB402GB402&q=grenfell+survivors+commit+suicide

At least 20 suicide attempts, one successful apparently.

I try and give people the benefit of the doubt, which usually goes quite quickly on these forums when people start calling me old, stupid, a spoof poster or any number of other insults.

I read that people may be disheartened if they think they will have to wait longer. Yes, some of them might be. I read that they may be interested in flats that are rejected. Yes, some of them might be. Are some people in temporary accommodation less than happy that they're not the top of the list anymore? Yes, some of them might be.
They might not be understanding. This doesn't make them bad people. It makes them human beings in crisis.
What would you say to a single mum who's in temporary accommodation? Stop moaning, at least you were not in Grenfell?

I'm sure people on the council waiting list would be understanding (even if a bit disappointed that they were no longer top priority). If you know all about the plight of the survivors then surely you must be sympathetic primrose ?

Most of the homes offered to Grenfell tenants have been temporary as far as I understand it.

Not sure what's happening with the lovely Kensington Row flats near Olympia that were supposed to be earmarked for Grenfell Tower ready for the end of July, but that seems to have gone quiet now.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-empty-homes-families-survivors-homeless-kensington-chelsea-council-borough-a7857596.html

Still lots of empty houses. What is the council doing?

Oh stop it. They are valid points.Hopefully people waiting to be housed will be understanding, but human nature and all that, especially if you are desperate to be housed.
I think a good deal of the flats are newly built and have been bought by the council.
Have several survivors committed suicide....is this true?

You need to reread Leonora's post about those on the waiting list feeling disheartened at the Grenfell survivors being given preferential treatment.
That's certainly how it came across to me.
As did your comment of people on the waiting list NOT being understanding.