Rehousing issue for Grenfell Towers survivors

"Then there's the Grenfell inquiry itself. Concerns have been raised by local campaign groups that the inquiry will not be looking at social housing policy or the broader social issues that led to the fire. And just this week, lawyers filed an urgent application for a judicial review over what they say is a lack of diversity on the inquiry panel. In a statement BMELawyers4Grenfell said:

"Despite numerous and repeated concerns from the survivors and families of the deceased for an expansion of the inquiry's terms of reference and the diversification of its inquiry team...Theresa May has failed, so far, to address their concerns, acknowledge correspondence, or maintain the promise of proper public consultation on the inquiry's parameters."

Hardly sounds like a government that's listening, does it? As David Neita from BMElawyers4Grenfell, said on Sky News this morning:

"Here's the message it sends to the community: 'You warned us...we ignored you, we told you to shut up. Now you still have concerns and you are saying to us to look at the broader issues but we're still telling you to shut up'."

It's important that the specific causes of the Grenfell fire are understood and that anybody responsible for not ensuring the safety of the residents is brought to justice. But without acknowledging the role that attitudes towards social housing tenants played in this tragedy, little will change. It shouldn't be too much to ask for local people to be housed in their own community in safe and secure accommodation. And it shouldn't be too much to ask for people to start caring that they're not."

May said they would be listened to. They are not.
Some people making comments on here should be ashamed of themselves.
Grenfell survivors deserve better.

New poster/banner campaign:
"Grenfellers United!"

Toodle-pip, chucks

pc comments tossed down from high horses what a thoroughly objectionable comment - what are you sitting on at the moment lemon? I think there's an important issue that is worth discussing- did you have to be so dismissive?

They don't have to be dragged in off the streets, as you so pleasantly put it.
Justice4Grenfell have given a list of 45 BME people who are just as qualified as those white ones who have been chosen.

What is the problem with choosing some from that list?

All I am seeing here from a few are PC comments tossed down from high horses.
Multi racial panels can't be dragged in off the streets.Demands from the residents ( presumably not the white British ones) can only be met if the people concerned are part and parcel of the inquiry.
Baggs I bow to your utter patience in your replies.

I'll agree about wishes being worthy of respect when I see them to be respectable.

I agree that justice should be seen to be done. People can disagree on what counts as that and no doubt will. All good.

I agree with you trisher The wishes of the residents and their families should be respected.

But it's like another poster said about justice being seen to be done.
If the people that lived there would like more input, then they should have it.

How to answer a question pose a ridiculous idea and when it is shown to be such change the subject.!
The people of Grenfell have a right to ask for the sort of inquiry panel they want and they have asked for it not to be all white. It seems that some people are only happy if they can dictate the terms of things. It isn't the race or ethnicity that matters but the wishes of the residents and their relatives and they want an ethnically diverse panel. Still why should they get what they want? People on GN know better and don't approve!

Diversity of race or ethnicity is, in my view, simply not important with regard to the Grenfell enquiry. Perhaps something will come out to show why people ever thought it was.

Representation and good communication is due to the surviving Grenfell tenants. Their race and ethnicity is irrelevant.

Sorry baggs I misunderstood what you meant

So are the definitions
1) Upper class
2) Middle class
3) Working class
4) people that live in council properties

How could the "class" card be played Baggs? There were people in Grenfell from all sorts of backgrounds from asylum seekers, teaching assistants, retired lecturers and even 2 architects

Isn't this what I've been trying to stress rather than race/ethnicity? The Grenfell population is/was diverse in all sorts of ways. Why has race/ethnicity been focussed on by anybody out of all the possibles?

The class that is housed in council property.

How could the "class" card be played Baggs? There were people in Grenfell from all sorts of backgrounds from asylum seekers, teaching assistants, retired lecturers and even 2 architects. What class are these people?

This is Collins definition

if someone plays the race card they bring up the issue of race in a discussion, perhaps for sympathy or to seek popularity by appealing to racist sentiment

(Cont'd) I dislike the phrase 'playing the card' as it's not neutral - it's use is negative I feel and implies that x is being brought into the discussion/argument illegitimately when it might be absolutely legitimate to argue that x is a relevant factor

baggs

I think that if a "class card" had been played those of us who don't understand how race/ethnicity comes into it, might not have been puzzled. One can think of other avoidable disasters where the elite, in whatever form (in this case, it would seem, the council) have acted without due regard for the welfare of poorer workers. The comparable disaster I'm thinking of is Aberfan.

I think it's worth pointing out that "playing the x card" is a useful figure of speech. I presume it's not deemed offensive of me to use it in relation to social class? If it is, well, too bad, I guess.

It shocks me that anyone would be prepared to use racist language and make racist comments and not apologise or at least show some qualms about the language they have used. Especially someone who has so vocally condemned others for being anti-semitic. Is racism then more acceptable than anti-semitism?

Just because it was reported didn't mean it would be deleted - it was deleted because it broke the guidelines

I expected it to be deleted Trisher , you advised in advance you would report it

Nothing to do with me Annie it's against the forum Guidelines. You've had one post deleted because of it. It is also illegal you know.

You should make your instructions on what you will permit on a thread clearer Trisher