Gay Pride ad a new 'equality gap'?

That was before dj joined in and ww remembered what a jolly super day out Gay Pride was...

I thought you said before that it was your last word on the subject ww

I do find some of this thread a tad prurient. Not sure it matters a jot what goes on behind closed doors, or who is taking part. I never look at anyone and wonder what sort of sexual activities they take part in- that is just plain weird.

I thought it was still illegal between a man and a woman? Just as a point of interest

Well, yes it is, but who's going to join a protest or put their name to a petition to get that law changed ?

dj they always do - the police get involved that is. There are of course some gay policemen and women. We haven't gone this year but it is always a super day out for all the family. It is extraordinarily popular and gets heaving with people.

Annie did not say that, Oriel. If you read her post properly, she's saying that while she herself has no problem with homosexuality, some people cannot see beyond the sex aspect, i.e. anal sex.

A lot of virtue signalling going on here from some Annieb not to mention twisting of posts or wilful misunderstanding.

Hardly something I would have done a survey on Oriel...
I have read that it's done a lot in African countries, to stop unwanted pregnancy.
So, are you talking 40% of the UK population, and what percentage of those are British? Or the world as a whole?
I find it staggering that anyone would really want to do it anyway, gay or straight.

From what I said ? , homophobics equates homosexuality with buggery , just where did I say I was homophobic ?

Oriel, I find your deliberate twisting of my posts staggering.

Good to see the police joining in the fun at Brighton Pride, whitewave.

Roses recent studies indicate that around 40% of hetrosexuals engage or have engaged in anal sex. So it's very likely to be similar in gay relationships given that many don't wish to have anal sex.

It was Annie who brought, as she calls it, buggery into the conversation. From what she has said she equates homosexuality with buggery - a relationship based on nothing more than sex and, in particular, anal sex... nothing more.

I find this level of misinformation staggering.

Just what I was going to say, whitewave.
His family say he wanted to keep his sexuality private; he had to keep it private as it was against the law until two years before he died.

Perhaps if he'd lived longer, he would have been more open about it.

Makes you wonder if his family are ashamed of it.

If he had "outed" himself he would have been imprisoned.

No surprises therefore that he was a private person.

I realise that I am swimming against the tide here so probably time to shut up, but find this whole sorry affair intensly uncomfortable. My last word on the subject.

Criminal attacks are something else entirely Eglantine. I do hope your brother makes a good recovery and the assailant is caught and punished.

I was thinking about the stupid things people say. When I was a child (in the 1950s/early 60s,) if we met anyone who said anything to suggest women were not capable of doing any particular endeavour, my mother would, if possible, express surprise at their attitude at the time and laugh about their old fashioned, set in stone attitudes after they left.

If you gift your home to the NT you must be aware that there will be people going round it and arguably therefore you have opened what was your private life to the general public. I don't know if he would have wanted people to know he was gay or not, I suspect that things have changed so much since he died 48 years ago that his views would be very different now. If I disagreed with something the NT had done I wouldn't choose to show my disagreement by not wearing a symbol that is important to a section of the community that have been historically victimised.

Thank you Roses, I now believe they know what I mean they are just taking the oppertunity to mock.

In Scotland 4 out of 6 party leaders are gay or Lesbian,its not something people really bother about ,as one guy I know said Why the hell should I worry about what they do behind closed doors ,they give me enough to worry about when the open their mouths .I do think that there has been a vast improvement in attitudes over the past couple of decades here.I worked in an industry where gay people were quite the norm ,in our office of 14 people at least 5 were openly gay or lesbian ..and this was the seventies .I just never thought about it and I still dont .I dont remember anyone being worried about sharing a darkroom with a gay photographer ....lets face it just because they were gay didn't mean they would jump anyone available ,in fact most of them were far more fussy about who thay saw than the straight guys or girls .

It's a bit hard to laugh when your brother is in a hospital bed having his face put back together, Monica.

IMO the Trust's desire for volunteers to wear gay pride badges is secondary and less important than the fact that Ketton-Cremer's personal life has been made very public.

A NT spokesman is reported as having said "The people we interviewed were clear we weren't "outing" him, as among those who knew him it was widely accepted". Well, making details of his personal life known to those who didn't know him is IMO "outing" him.

Three of his god children have spoken out against the NT's decision who I think at the very least should have been consulted. He gifted his home to the NT not details of his private life.

Imperfect the mere fact that you felt a need to be transparent about your views, says it all. If we took sexuality, of whatever kind for granted, you would not feel the need to be transparent.

Penstemmon I disagree with almost everything you say in your post except the first sentence. How can you, with a straight face address a mainly female audience and talk about ^People who have not been marginalised....... cannot understand. We are women, for heaven's sake, of course we understand marginalisation.

Personally, I get fed up with the constant song and dance every time a women reaches a senior level and the same for other minorities. Real equality arises when no one thinks twice about having a female/gay/transsexual Prime Minister. The Irish have managed to do it with out too much fuss, as have we with our second female Prime Minister.

Let us assume all people take other people as being equal and just make a fuss and laugh at them when they don't.

This is all about the NT and imposing views on workers, which I hear that they have now backed down on.Good!

just as likely Oriel..... I don't think so.
Some posters are totalling misunderstanding ab's posts in any case, she is one of the least judgmental people on GN on , where kindness is an issue.

Annie anal sex is just as likely to be enjoyed in the hetrosexual community as it is in the gay community.

Why do you think that homosexuality is defined by the act of sex? Would you hold the same views of hetrosexual couples engaging in anal sex?

I remember watching a documentary where Stephen Fry was discussing homosexuality with some African leader (can't recall his name). The African guy kept going on at length about anal sex - he called an anus 'anoos' . Stephen Fry was really patient and measured in his tone, despite the ranting of the African. Stephen said that he had never had anal sex and would be horrified by the idea.

I just like to keep talking about it eh Annie? It reminds me of someone I used to work with back in the sixties who would read the News of the World from cover to cover and then come into work and need to talk about it all week saying disgusting, disgusting. But the need was hers, not ours.

Trisher, try this - I DO NOT CARE what happens between consenting adults, I AM NOT hung up on buggery or sex in any way or position, GOT IT?

I am just saying how people who have a problem with homosexuality think .

You compare marching to support gay rights with marching against apartheid .

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that it is SEX which is the major issue in homophobia .