Gay Pride ad a new 'equality gap'?

Well that was interesting. All buggery laws were repealed in 1994. But before that they had actually got themselves in a right tangle because of imprecise wording in the Victorian Laws. I'm afraid some might find the detail offensive so I won't post it here. I had no idea it was a hanging offence!

With a nod to trisher 's reference to Queen V's sensibilities I wonder if Annie 's hangup about buggery means that in a very simplistic way she is more willing to accept lesbians.

Really Ana? I'm must google it!

Religion and the bible I suspect Eglantine19. The root of so many of society's problems

I thought it was still illegal between a man and a woman? Just as a point of interest.

What Annie calls buggery takes place in many heterosexual relationships, And doesn't take place in many homosexual relationships. I not sure why it's such an enormous thing for her and why she has to keep bringing it up.

It isn't "unnatural" Annieand for all your expressions of beliefs in freedoms and equality it seems that you are hung up on what may or may not happen between consenting male adults. I don't know if all gay men are into buggery. I don't care if they are. It isn't illegal and discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation is the same as any other discrimination- it is WRONG!
I wonder how you stand on lesbian sex? Or are you like Queen Victoria and believe it isn't possible- which is the only reason lesbianism remained legal (no-one wanted to explain to her what they did!!!)
Someone may be born female, someone may be born black, someone may be born gay. It is as simple and natural as that. They all deserve the right to be treated equally.

Oh dear. You really have no understanding Annie of what a homosexual relationship is. It is just the same as a heterosexual relationship. Just the same.

Trisher, you seem to ignore one fact, sex, marching to support sexual rights is so different to marching against apartheid . I have no problem with homosexuality but I accept people do because it is not love and companionship which come to mind but buggery , to some unatural sexual behaviour equals homosexuality

You may not think you are reactionaryBlinko
Definition reactionary denotes "a movement towards the reversal of an existing tendency or state" and a "return to a previous condition of affairs."
Gay Pride is here. Gay marches are allowed. The Rainbow badge is a symbol of their right to be treated equally.
If you don't approve you are reactionary!

Trisher, I don't think we are reactionary. We accept that there are many, varied and various approaches to sexuality and that's absolutely fine. Accepting, not reactionary. But no marches and flag waving, please.

Because for years they have had to live in the shadows Blinko
Wherever have all you reactionary people been? Have you not listened to the horror stories on the Beeb? Do you not care that there are still people who have lived with condemnation and discrimination all their lives? Wear the Rainbow badge for them, to acknowledge that you recognise the way they were treated was wrong, to show young people that they will be supported whatever their sexuality and to show that in future everyone will be free to live as they choose whatever their sexuality.
And as far as I know there isn't anyone around who has been imprisoned or beaten up because they were heterosexual, so do they really need to be 'recognised'?

Imperfect, I think you have made your point perfectly. Particularly your last paragraph re 'an openly hetero day'. I do agree that marches and flag waving proclaiming ones sexuality seems strange to many people. Why would anyone want to?

It smacks of attention seeking to some of us......

Well for many heterosexuality is only about sex so I don't quite follow what you're saying there. Sex is only ok if it involves love? I would think the love/sex equation is about equal for heterosexuals and homosexuals so I don't get your point.

The reasons given by some of the volunteers was the "outing" of the original owner of the house they felt he would have wanted his sexuality kept private.
Of course volunteers are entirely free to refuse to wear something in the course of their activities they feel inappropriate. But equally the organisation they are volunteering for has the right to then put them in a supportive role where they will not meet the public.
As for many of the reasons given for not wearing the rainbow badge they illustrate that no matter how far we have come in the rights of the LGHBT community there are still those who think it's not quite acceptable.
Annie
We cannot force people to accept homosexuality , marches will not change opinions, neither will lecturing people .
Tell that to the suffragettes, the Jarrow marchers, Civil rights marchers, Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King, in fact anyone who has spoken or marched in the cause of freedom and equality.

Lisalou. I am saying your example of talking of cigarette smoking was not useful as the way to persuade people homosexuality must be sccepted. Cigarettes kill , people gave up for their own health and their families .

To have homosexuality accepted by all is not health related , for many it doesn't include love , just S.E.X. lecturing results in hands over ears

"I think the problem lay not so much in refusing to wear the badges but in their expressed reasons for refusing to support the campaign."

What were the expressed reasons?
In the BBC link given by the OP, I only saw comment about the film.

I think the NT is wrong in its action. Full stop.
Perhaps I should wear a lanyard saying I have mobility problems, might need the loo urgently.......

I agree with what Luckygirl has said.
The NT should have core values and all their staff will be aware of that, whether paid or voluntary.

Values and Behaviours:
^To give people physical and spiritual refreshment, we encourage them to come, visit, explore, respond,
collaborate, join, give, volunteer, take part. Not by preaching, but by suggesting, enabling and inspiring.^

I think they are losing sight of that and are preaching.

I am so sorry Eglantine...how devastating for you and your family.

They affect other people too. My adoptive brother was subject to an attack because of his sexual preference. Because of this he had a disability for the rest of his life. The whole family was affected, emotionally as well as practically. The world no longer seemed a safe place.

I think the National Trust should just get on with their job.

There is no need for any individual or organisation to trumpet abroad their beliefs; their values should be implicit in their behaviour.

Ok, on reflection Anniebach, I presume you are saying that my examples reflect larger groups of the population and that the issue is that we are talking about a minority.
I really dont think that this is relevant. Prejudice and injustice should be fought, regardless of the size of the group involved

annie LBGT issues affect all LGBT people

Sorry Anniebach, could you elaborate - i may be having a thick moment (I often do) what does your comment have to do with anything?

I do sort of see the issue with the lanyards, in that maybe some of the people working for the NT dont want to be identified with a a movement they are not involved in, but I reckon we so often have to do things at work which we dont like, it is just one more thing that may well annoy. FWIW I dont think anyone thinks the lanyard identifies how the wearer thinks. We all know they are working and I doubt I would pay much attention to the badge or lanyard. I have enough trouble reading the person's name on their badge, any other stuff they are wearing, i would probably ignore!