Gay Pride ad a new 'equality gap'?

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and their parents could be Mary and Mary
or Bob and Bob

gillybob
Presumably most people would say ' this is my niece, she's Bob and Mary's daughter' when introducing either of them
like most people would.

(if, of course their parents are called Bob and Mary!)

Glammygranny, did you never walk down the street holding your husband's hand?
I doubt that Glammygranny's husband was wearing a leather thong and nothing else at the time if she did.

I would object to seeing that, just as I would object to seeing people of any kind walking practically naked through the streets of Blackpool on a hen weekend, more fool them, topless women on a January night, skirts round their waists as they lie in the gutter, men urinating , dropping their trousers and mooning etc.

What are you supposed to do?

Introduce people as "this is my straight niece"
"this is my gay niece of whom I am very proud"

I knew exactly what you meant Anniebach and totally agree with you. Actually saying that you are proud of someone being gay or because they are gay is setting them apart from everyone else. Surely we are proud of someones achievement not of their sexuality.

I mean being proud of someone being gay sets that person apart

How strange.
A homosexual's family should be as proud of them as they are of all other members of their family.
Homosexuality has had to be hidden away for far too long.

ab I don't understand your last comment

"a homosexuals family should be proud of them there cannot be equality, I am not proud or ashamed one of my nieces is lesbian, neither am I proud or ashamed her sister is heterosexual".

Your attitude to your neices is fine, but what does "there cannot be equality" mean?

Whilst people think as Jen does - a homosexuals family should be proud of them there cannot be equality, I am not proud or ashamed one of my nieces is lesbian, neither am I proud or ashamed her sister is heterosexual. They are my nieces, that's it.

Totally agree Anniebach people are just people and no-one should have a tag attached to them.

Glammygranny, did you never walk down the street holding your husband's hand? I used to all the time. I can remember when we lived in York being complimented on the fact that we still held hands after being married for so long.

Now imagine what comments we would have got if we had been two women, or two men.
In your world it shouldn't happen.

I assume you weren't in Hull when this took place.

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Anniebach, an admission that you were wrong for saying that gays were not sent to institutions in the 60s would have been better, but we can't have everything, can we?

Gay Pride exists because gays were made to feel ashamed, and still are by 40% of the population.

Anniebach I love my brother and am proud of the legal career he's had. He happens to be gay which is just one of so many things I can say about him.

I am beyond mad regards the whole sexuality/religion thing. What you are in the privacy of your own home is up to you. It's nobody else's business. I do however take great exception to having someone's sexuality or religious beliefs rammed down my throat. I was in the city centre a few years ago when there was a pride march on. I was beyond disgusted. I saw men walking around with incredibly lewd sexual language on their t-shirts. I saw another group of men wearing nothing more than a leather triangle on their groin with their buttocks exposed. On any other day if they walked the streets like this they would be arrested on public decency offences. Workplaces are tripping over themselves to offer support groups for LGBT. I don't care what your orientation is. If you can do the job you were employed to do then great if not you shouldn't be there. Whether you are straight or gay has no bearing on this. How come workplaces don't offer support groups for single parents, widowed people, people with physical disabilities etc...We don't see marches celebrating straight married or co-habiting couples. It's time we all learned to live and let live and keep our sexual preferences to ourselves.

Good post eddiecat78 . Completely agree.

Whilst people think as Jen does - a homosexuals family should be proud of them there cannot be equality, I am not proud or ashamed one of my nieces is lesbian, neither am I proud or ashamed her sister is heterosexual. They are my nieces, that's it.

Good, Riverwalk. I am pleased someone else knows who I am talking about.
Take note, it happened in the 60s, those of you who do not believe that gays were sent to institutions in the 60s.

I would add to Nan Kate's statement, I was also brought up to believe that homosexuality was wrong, as indeed were a multitude of other things, all part and parcel of being a Catholic. However, some of us throw off the shackles of a religion that we have been born into and didn't make an informed choice to follow as we develop into adults,or at least question it. The three Abrahamic religions are patriarchal and seek to control their followers through their edicts often imbuing a fear and creating stigmas that they attach to certain practices. Like NanKate I also reached the conclusion that homosexuality is not a choice and to demonise it in the way religions do is wrong, conversely it appeared, from artefacts that some of the pagan religions/sects actually celebrated it so possibly they were more foward thinking in that respect, or just didn't have the hang ups that religions have with sex. Homosexuals are not a homogonised mass and many live in stable relationships. There are certain lifestyles within the homosexual community that some will find distasteful, such as "cottaging" brief sexual liaisons in toilets etc and I believe the San Francisco bath houses also notorious for such practices a while back. Possibly that comes into play when some people don't openly wish to ensorse the gay movement per se. To counter balance that, I would add I can think of plenty of similar louche behaviour among the hetrosexual community which does them no favours, not least of all those who go to southern Europe, get drunk and have sex in public places, piss off the local population and generally give our country a bad name. We don't know why those at the NT did not want to wear the rainbow lanyards but possibly it could because of deeply held religious convictions or a distate for certain ascpects of the gay lifestyle, or simply because they wanted the choice. There will be those within the Muslim religion who will hold the same conservative views, but I can't help thinking because they are also a minority they won't necessarily be vilified in the same what a bunch of "old farts" way.

I think the point is trisher that if any one didn't want to wear a lanyard in support of the suffragette movement, or any other cause you may wish to mention, that they should be entitled to refuse without being criticised or judged for doing so.

Not wishing to wear a lanyard to show you support a particular cause or movement does not mean that you are against it.

Jendurham I heard that programme with Pete Price in the middle of the night on the BBC World Service about a week ago.

I was so heartbroken and angry when he described what he'd gone through.

He'd realised that he was gay at age 12 and tried to commit suicide at 14 because he was so conflicted and ashamed. He was very close to his mother and she was understandably upset when she found evidence that he was gay.

His doctor sent him for aversion therapy - those of a delicate disposition look away now

A male psychiatrist oversaw the treatment which consisted of being locked in a cell with a male nurse who sat in the corner, and over a period of days was forced to look at gay porn whilst sitting in his own urine, faeces and vomit - get the aim here? He was threatened with electrodes to his genitals but I'm not sure this part went ahead. The poor desperate boy was 18 years old.

A few months later he was in a gay club in Manchester and saw the psychiatrist at the bar being 'outrageously camp'. Price attacked him with a bottle intending to kill him but people intervened.

If anyone wants to hear the interview I'm sure it's still available on IPlayer.

And there are still gay people who are convinced to undergo aversion therapy because they are convinced by other people that they are somehow perverted and need 'treatment
I wonder next year it will be 100 years since women got the vote if the NT asks people to wear a lanyard in purple,green and white, the suffragette colours how many of you would refuse to wear it?

Read the article Annie 1962 THAT IS THE SIXTIES YOU KNOW

Yep Chewbacca, I know how it is ?

I know Anniebach but you know how it is...........

If I were with my dgc visiting an NT property and the issue of being gay, the slave trade, exploitation of children came up I'd discuss the issue in an age appropriate way pointing out what people used to think and how it's ( mostly) changed. Children need to develop a sense of our history and of the brave and caring people who have made their world a better place - it didn't happen by magic!

I said homosexuals not locked in mental institutions IN THE SIXTIES.