.. to be appalled by this news about Jacob Rees-Mogg on GMB today

Strange how not one self claimed socialist - apart from me ?- have not mentioned Khan and Burnham prevented from speaking at the party conference . This is suppose to be the party for all , well that's what Corby said when became leader , yet these two men have been gagged . Suppose they come into McDonald's class of f*****g losers

A person can be seen as a collection of qualities good, bad and indifferent. But the qualities themselves are separate from the person so a single quality, honesty for instance, can be a quality of several people who differ very widely in other things.

I like the honesty that tells me who a person is - anything else would be dishonest ... wouldn't it?

They are still exactly the same person who, for whatever reason, we have despised in the past aren't they.

weknow who...

Not who but what. In JRM's case know who he is already. As he has become more noticed in the media we are learning what as well, things like honest, articulate, good hunoured, always voting the wrong way, etc.

But though we might, for a moment, admire the honesty that doesn't change the person does it?

Honesty would tell us more about who exactly a person is wouldn't it?

Baggs, thank you for clarifying. Your previous post picked up on an earlier post saying being honest is not by itself admirable, I see you do agree with that.

Anyone who thinks honesty in a person is not an admirable quality needs their head examining.

Please note, it is the honesty that is admirable. The person may be full of all sorts of other faults and imperfections (like the rest of us) but the fact that they are honest is admirable in spite of any other faults (like holding the wrong political views).

You could say that JRM was rather brave for coming out with his own unpopular views, as well as being honest.
Most politicians either lie outright, prevaricate or deflect.

I am not sure why posters are complaining that Anniebach's concern about Corbyn's socialist dream is unwarranted.

If we are talking about MPs with worrying beliefs, Corbyn is right up there and he and hard-left Momentum are the scariest thing to have happened in British politics for a long time.

Their beliefs have to be examined too. Not just one man, but a huge hard left section out to purge the Labour party of moderate MPs.

They have also set out to influence a whole swathe of very young, first time voters who uber-liberal, naive and idealistic (beer) goggles to view the world. Glastonbury is an example of Corbyn's stalking. He had a captive audience of young people ripe for the revolution.

Venezuela. Says it all.

Mogg ought to be Moggy, a pussycat by comparison.

What isn't honourable is claiming to be a pacifist whilst supporting terrorists

That they were a were a white supremist isn't honourable, than they were honest and said they were is

That was in answer to devon

No, but the honesty is still admirable.

Well,lemon isn't the former poster who sent PM's telling posters to ignore a certain poster, even I recognise that poster and I am hopeless at that game, in fact I don't play it, it's just an excuse to pick on posters , better things to do than ponder on that childish past time

As said previously, would being honest about being, say, a white supremacist, make that person admirable?!

Me too Baggs
Honesty is honesty! ?
Day6 exactly.

being honest is not by itself admirable

Really?

Gosh!

I'd always thought it was ?

It ain't gonna happen.

Now I wonder how many said that about others who got to power and overturned all they held in high regard.

(That's unless you are actually God and know something we don't about the future of JRM|)

I do know your patter lemongrove don't I. Rats, I can't remember just who.

Tegan - But we also have a right to be concerned about the fact that someone in a position of power 'might' be swayed by their beliefs and take away our rights to things such as abortion.

It ain't gonna happen.

No one man can take away our rights. It's naive to think so, but do carry on trying to scare those who might not be aware of how politics work.

Labour scare tactics, again, for those who'll read just a headline and jump on your bandwagon.

Project Fear - the hard left tactic.

The main point is that it was his own views on a subject when asked about it.I do not happen to agree with him, but he has every right to hold those views on abortion.Many people do.

The storm in a teacup keeps on brewing.Hands are wrung, posters are 'appalled'. Well summed up POGS
Do posters think even if he ever became PM that he would be a sort of Emperor/Dictator who could make up policies on a whim.?