Snow and school closures.

maryeliza I rarely concur with you but in this instance you are spot on!

I’m not sure if I might be typing in Marsian today ???
No racing to the bottom, top or anywhere else for that matter . No saying teachers shouldn’t get paid . Just trying to make it clear that many people do not get paid if they don’t make it in to work and 3 days of lost wages is no laughing matter !

I can’t believe that a days holiday entitlement wasn’t a possibility for many employees. And btw, my dd’s childminder was still paid as is quite right

Oh and for the record my daughter doesn’t have any children (yet) either.

Don’t tell me what I felt Old Meg.

I again make the point that many people working in private companies do not get paid if they can’t fit whatever reason get to work . End of. Can I make it any more clear than that ?

Oh yes I’ll tell her to leave her secure job when she’s almost 32 weeks pregnant ( and will have to go back very soon after the birth) very sensible decision that would be durhamjen ..... not .

The race to the bottom is so edifying isn’t it? I can’t have it so I don’t want anyone else to have it.

My daughter is public sector - she could have got in but was concerned about getting back so was able to take a day’s leave from her holiday entitlement. And anyway, there’s a real difference between your place of work being closed when of course you should get paid and your not being able to get in when you should be able to take holiday.

This is about professionals who get paid an annual salary, not by the hour. Stop knocking teachers who didn’t themselves make the decision to close and it was quite clear that you felt they shouldn’t be paid just because your daughter’s job doesn’t operate in that way.

Well said, OldMeg.
It's well known that teachers work more unpaid overtime than any other occupation.

Gillybob, I said it SHOULD be allowed for in the contract.
Perhaps you should tell your daughter and son in law to get different jobs where the employer thinks of the employee.
None of my sons and daughters in law will have any pay docked.

Exactly DJ you can’t get in to work you don’t get paid ! Sadly a reality for many including my daughter and she’s not on a zero hours contract !

Oh for goodness sake . No it isn’t about teachers getting paid ! It’s about many working parents ( they don’t all work in the public sector you know) NOT getting paid !
There’s a huge difference .

Of course, all those with zero hours contracts will get nothing.
Who thinks zero hours contracts are a good idea now?

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What about those days during their ‘holidays’ when they come in voluntarily to do work?

So it’s all about the teachers getting paid? Have you any idea how much unpaid overtime teachers do already ?

I am and I have OldMeg I am just trying to make the point that when schools close the teachers still get paid . The parents who cannot go to work often do not .

Gillybob try looking at it from the school’s perspective. They are held responsible for their pupils’ safety.

My eldest granddaughters school closed because the buses bringing children in from miles away couldn’t get through . My granddaughter (who only got in on appeal) walks the very short distance there and back .

It is not law !

We sent all of our employees home at lunch time on Wednesday when it was apparent the weather was getting worse . We haven’t seen them since although DH and I have made it in ( later than usual) everyday . It is NOT law but we will pay them . I have never, ever docked anyone’s pay in my life . Bigger companies who’s staff are often just numbers are not quite so generous though.

It’s just another school bashing opportunity for some isn’t it?

The two main reasons why schools close is
1) the chance that snow will come down thickly during school hours and make the journey back home dangerous for both pupils and staff.
2) teachers who live a distance away might be unable to get in and therefore staffing levels will be dangerously low.

No one can predict exactly how much snow there might be so sometimes the Headteacher has to err on the side of caution, mainly because the moaners would be the very first to create if anything went wrong.

Time off, but not necessarily paid, I think?

It's not me thinking it.
Employment lawyers say it.

That’s a joke !

My DD works for a huge multinational company and no work equals no pay . The last few days have been hell for her and it’s taken twice /three times as long to get to and from work Her partner works for a large NE based manufacturer and it’s the same for him. The real world of work isn’t quite as kind as you think it might be .

Parents don't have to lose a day's pay. It should be allowed for in the contract.

Elfen Safety where briefly, rarely, snowy high schools are concerned, maryeliza54, is very much more an ass-covering exercise than a matter of common sense, or otherwise parents would not have lost a day's pay.