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Snow and school closures.

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ajanela Thu 01-Mar-18 09:36:44

AIBU. In the south where my DGS age 12 goes to school as of Wednesday they only had a very light sprinkling of snow but my DD received a message on Wednesday saying his school will be closed until Monday. Reason the buses could not run and snow was forecast. I think this is over cautious. How often severe weather warnings don't happen and the country should not stop due to light snow as usually experienced in our part of the south.

Children may be travelling further for childcare than they go to school. Some will be left home alone. The schools are fining people for taking their children out of school to go on holiday as their schooling is so important. Some Parents who stay home to care for their children will loose money, the teachers won't. I know schools are there to educate our children not provide child care but parents have to work and plan there working life depending on their children being at school except in emergencies.

gillybob Mon 05-Mar-18 12:13:23

The only answer (imho) is that school places are awarded on the basis of those living closest get first offer of places, gradually moving outwards. This would solve the situation my DGC have travelling miles to/from school everyday. The primaries in their area are certainly no better than the one they attend but they are the GOLDEN TICKET into the very sought after secondary school which is why parents travel miles to get them there.

harrigran Mon 05-Mar-18 12:22:08

None of my family or friends are taking gillybob's GC's school places. My GC was taken out of a Durham county council school because they were not fulfilling their commitment to educating the child. In her final year at the primary school GD had five different teachers.
You are missing the point, as usual, dj. Those of us who pay for private education actually make the classes smaller for state educated children and also don't forget we pay twice.
Insult me all you like but the fact remains that people will do whatever it takes to give their children the education they deserve.
Do not quote Melissa Benn to me either, Holland Park school is not quite the same as our schools in Tyne and Wear or County Durham.

gillybob Mon 05-Mar-18 12:22:17

there are no above average children, just children with pushy middle class parents

I disagree with this comment made by a headteacher M0nica my second DGD (10) who's primary is slap bang in the middle of a large council estate, has been described by her head as extremely gifted. Her teacher said "X is not just on the top table..... she IS the top table". She is the kind of delightful child that seems to be good at everything from Maths, English and Science to Art, drama and sports too.

She most definitely doesn't have pushy parents, just average working class and none of us know where she has gotten her brains and talents from !

Grandma70s Mon 05-Mar-18 12:32:50

Of course some children are cleverer than others, just as some adults are.

durhamjen Mon 05-Mar-18 12:41:03

Make the classes smaller for state educated children?
What?
Tell that to the teachers of my grandchildren who are in classes of up to 40.
That's the weirdest jusification for sending your children to private school that I've yet heard.
In fact the most common reason for sending children to private schools is so that your children are in smaller classes, nothing to do with altruism.

durhamjen Mon 05-Mar-18 12:51:42

I live in County Durham by the way, with grandkids going through school here, and my two eldest granddaughters were taught in schools in Heaton.

gillybob Mon 05-Mar-18 12:52:02

The problem is though, there are oversubscribed schools with 35+ children per class and under subscribed schools where the class sizes are much smaller, usually because they are not in a good area or don't feed into a golden secondary.

durhamjen Mon 05-Mar-18 12:56:23

When people complain about schools closing because of the snow, it's because of this ability to choose schools out of your local area and not being able to get children or teachers to school.
We definitely went to the local primary when we were at school, and quite often a local secondary. My brother and sisters could all bike to school, or walk in the snow.

gillybob Mon 05-Mar-18 13:01:37

It's madness.

My eldest DGD could get to school (its only a few minutes walk) but it was closed as the majority of of pupils are bussed in from miles away.

My younger DGC's school was open but they couldn't physically get there as its miles away confused

Juliette Mon 05-Mar-18 13:01:49

Isn’t your grandson educated by you at home dj?
Isn’t that choice?
No one should have to defend their reasons for whatever type of education they choose, or for whatever reasons they choose it.

durhamjen Mon 05-Mar-18 13:17:34

Exactly, gillybob, madness.
If harrigran didn't want to defend her grandchildren's education she shouldn't put it on the thread.

Yes, I teach my grandson at home now because he has autism, and cannot cope in a school of 1500 pupils. He did go to the nearest secondary school, within walking distance, for a year, but had tears in his eyes every day.
It costs us. We get no financial help to buy equipment and materials.

Saying Melissa Benn has no right to talk about community schooling as Holland Park is different to community schools in the North East is like saying I have no right as I went to a private school and I homeschool my grandson - both equally ridiculous.

OldMeg Mon 05-Mar-18 13:50:12

So what Gillybob ? My grandchildren could have got to school too but you don’t hear me moaning on, and on, and on, ad nauseam about it.

gillybob Mon 05-Mar-18 14:32:34

Whats your problem OldMeg ?

I was simply pointing out the sheer madness of children unable to get to open schools because they live too damned far away and can't get into local schools and children able to get to schools that are closed to children on their doorstep because the majority are bussed in.

How does that make any sense at all?

The point being that if children were able to attend the schools on their doorstep half the problem would be solved. Maybe that's too complicated for some people though eh?

Oh and if you can't bear my "moaning on and on", I would suggest you don't read my posts in future. Problem solved.

gillybob Mon 05-Mar-18 14:33:52

My comments have nothing at all to do with harrigran's grandchildren either. I have never once suggested or implied that they were stealing a place from any of mine! confused

durhamjen Mon 05-Mar-18 14:36:34

As happened in Heaton, gillybob.
No schools closed because everybody could get there.

gillybob Mon 05-Mar-18 14:39:49

Which is the way it always used to be and worked just fine dj

Jalima1108 Mon 05-Mar-18 14:53:32

No schools closed because everybody could get there.

I've never heard of Heaton and I would think it is quite an unusual place then if everybody could get into school, pupils and teachers. Presumably there are no children coming in to those schools from the surrounding rural areas and all teachers live in the town.

Most places aren't like that, however, people travel miles to the nearest village schools because that is the catchment and those village may feed in to a comprehensive in the nearest town - so even further to travel.
And it's not always possible for teachers and staff to get a job at their local schools even if they wanted to.

As for teachers working locally, I don't think a single one at our village school lives locally but several still managed to get there only to find the school was shut by the HT an hour later.

Isn’t that choice?
No one should have to defend their reasons for whatever type of education they choose, or for whatever reasons they choose it.
I agree.

suzied Mon 05-Mar-18 14:55:02

But not all schools have the “feeder primary” admissions policy, I would suggest it’s a small minority, most schools do have siblings, then catchment area policy. The mish mash of different regimes, academies, demise of local authorities, and the privatisation of state education to various trusts and bodies has led to there being different admissions policies which appear unchallengeable, and if you live in one of the areas where the admissions policy doesn’t work in your favour you will feel aggrieved.

gillybob Mon 05-Mar-18 15:10:08

The schools in our LEA operate a feeder system suzied followed by sibling link (hard lines for the eldest child) . Very little chance of getting into the best secondaries if you don’t make it into the right feeder .

Jalima1108 Mon 05-Mar-18 15:13:22

Our area (well, the area where DGD live) operates a 'catchment area' but they are 'in the process of reviewing them' so it's anybody's guess where they will have to travel to school when they go on to secondary.
Perhaps we should downsize and apply to the local excellent independent schools on their behalf.

M0nica Mon 05-Mar-18 16:07:01

*dj In rural areas the local school can be 10 or 15 miles away and no alternative school within 25 miles or more. It is rural areas that are most likely to have local roads blocked by snow. 12 feet deep in places barely 20 miles from us.

All the secondary children in our village are bussed to secondary school as the nearest is over 4 miles away - and that is in south Oxfordshire.

It wasn't just schools closed. Many companies had to close down because people couldn't get to work. Buses weren't running and trains were cancelled. Electricity was cut off for some people.

OldMeg Mon 05-Mar-18 16:10:36

And I’m simply saying change the record Gilly - you were moaning about this the other day. You’ve done it to death. Let it go.

OldMeg Mon 05-Mar-18 16:12:50

You ask about my problem?

Ok. People who go on and on long after the subject has been well aired. Probably because I’ve had to chair too many meeting with people like that.

Sorry, but you did ask.

Mapleleaf Mon 05-Mar-18 16:24:41

"All the teachers tripped gaily off to the pub" ? Are you sure Hellsbella. Have you got any proof? Don't you think the staff would be anxious to get home safely, rather than sit in a local pub.

gillybob Mon 05-Mar-18 16:31:22

I’m sorry to upset you OldMeg but this is a free forum . Where everyone has the same rights to post . Just because the subject bores you. Well don’t read my posts . It really is that simple . Post something interesting . Go on . Start an interesting thread. Go on.