AIBU to ask if you are aware of the petition on gender identity and women's rights?

Thanks to all who have signed, shared, discussed or indeed just read and considered it a f decided not to if they’d don’t want to.

My primary concern is awareness and a democratic process.

MissTT I’m a radical feminist who posts on here and on MN. I regularly read the feminist threads on MN and have yet to read posts that deny the existence of trans persons. What I do read are many many posts that want to protect women and girls from the loss of hard won rights and safe spaces that would occur if self identification goes ahead. I’m a biological woman and have lived that experience all my life - I will not have that reduced to a ‘feeling’ that can be owned by a biological man on a whim.

Thank you for bringing it to our attention NoSquirrels.
I have passed it on the the Women's group that I belong to as well, and they are putting it on the agenda for the next committee meeting with the intention of alerting the National Executive (who probably already know).

Signed and shared. No problems with trans-gender matters and no wish to see anyone excluded, but I do think this needs to be more carefully though about.

MissTT I was hesitant to come over to Gransnet as I certainly don’t want to “radicalise” anyone or “indoctrinate” anyone into anything.

I merely wanted to raise awareness of the petition and make sure it was being discussed among all demographics. I think my opening post made it clear that you were very welcome to “make up your own mind” on the matter.

Trying to discuss genes, and other pseudo science malarkey tends to be a key signature for an underlying transphobic POV.

Nowhere have I tried to do this, but I really MUST take exception to the idea that XX and XY are “pseudo-science”

The petition is currently being discussed in the national news. Anyone wishing to introduce the topic to people might like a link to The Independent coverage:

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/topless-woman-male-only-swimming-pool-protest-gender-recognition-act-amy-desir-dulwich-south-london-a8261801.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Mumsnet is not denying the existence of transwomen or transmen. There are many transitioned people joining in the discussions with many points of view.
What they are concerned about is the matter of self identification. This will mean that a man or woman can self identify as the opposite sex on their own validation. Because they feel like it.
Now in a lot of cases this will cause very few problems.
But it will cause problems in women's sport, in the Guides, women and men only swimming sessions.
The majority of male to female transsexuals do not have hormone or gender reassignment treatment.

This is about women giving up hard won spaces. Not men moving over or a third safe space being created

Google Danielle Moscato, Alex Drummond, Stefonknee Wolschtt. They are the tip of the iceberg.
We're not talking about people like April Ashley, Jan Morris and Miranda Yardley here!

Check out the case that's being heard at the moment
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/26/woman-punched-in-brawl-between-transgender-activists-and-radical-feminists

Or the intimidation that venues that agree to host Womens Place meetings suffer (Millwall for example!)

Or come and join the debate

Mumsnetters welcome as long as you behave with decorum

And there are gransnetters of whom we need to be wary (can't think of any offhand, but there must be).

Yes, MissTT, we can indeed think for ourselves. That is why we don't need you to tell us of what we must be wary.

“We must be wary of mumsnet gets coming over into other forums......”. That sounds very like telling folks what to do and how to think MissTT

We must be wary of mumsnetters coming over into other forums, as MN is beginning to have quite a ‘following’ shall we say of the more radical end of feminism which is denying the existence of trans persons. One should steer well clear IMHO.

Trying to discuss genes, and other pseudo science malarkey tends to be a key signature for an underlying transphobic POV. Ditto, is labelling women to nothing more than vagina owning birthing machines, which is everything feminism has been fighting since day one,

Let’s not go there, we can think for ourselves thank you.

Signed.

Signed and written to my MP. I can't see how to share it on Facebook but will hunt around.

I've written to my MP about this too. I've never written to my MP before so I'm not sure how long it usually takes to reply. One week and counting so far........

Please could I also encourage people to share this petition - facebook, twiiter, whatapp, etc. The more people that see it, the better!

sorry, jut meant to add that if it doesn't then perhaps you have signed it already?

The email is just the link to send you to the petition to enable you to sign.

Mine arrived instantly in my inbox.

Nope nothing in my e.mail anywhere!

Checked my details were correct!

I don't even get the message Primrose printed?

Absolutely no idea but obviously I am alone in having problems, very weird.

I wrote to my MP a while ago about this, expressing my concern. I received a fob off letter. Pat McFadden, Labour Wolverhampton East.

Signed.

POGS

Check your junk mail perhaps? The email arrived in an instant for me. Did you get to the 'one more step' screen, after the screen where you enter your details?

5.300 now

Signed.

Yes I have signed the petition NoSquirrels and have been following some of the arguments over on MN. I think it's a very important matter with enormous ramifications for the female sex. I find some of the issues being mooted at the moment so bizarre it's as if we have entered a parallel universe. Good luck with the petition I do hope you reach the required amount of signatures so this matter can be debated in Parliament.

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Sorry, forgot to say - Thank you NoSquirrels, for bringing this to us; you've obviously hit a good seam of supporters!

Signed. Something I feel very strongly about.

Signed and I'll mention it to friends & family.

The swimming pool changing room problem should not be an issue here as our pool has a unisex changing area. It makes family swimming much easier as either parent, or both, can be involved in helping with children of either sex. As all changing is done in cubicles, and showers have to be taken with swimwear on, there are no nude bodies to be seen and so which bits anyone could wave about, should they wish to, is irrelevant. Perhaps that might be a way forward if this gets any worse. I certainly hate the idea of DGDs being flashed in what should be a safe place by someone who "says" he's a woman.

Signed . I had to go back into my email where there was a message waiting which I clicked on. Job done.