AIBU to ask if you are aware of the petition on gender identity and women's rights?

Squirrel

I must admit I did not notice it said "We will e.mal you" . I think I expected a ' submit ' facility at the time of entering my details.

Not a usual candidate for signing petitions so maybe I am not offay with how it works.

However nothing has been sent yet so I am maybe being a tad impatient! Cheers.

I think that could be a reason why the signature number is low

It is frustratingly low at the moment but I have faith that it will gain momentum if it is covered by the media even a little, and women share amongst themselves.

It's worth noting that it's only a few days old, so whilst it's low in terms of the 33 million women in the country, it's not doing too badly for a petition that hasn't been noticed much more widely than Mumsnet and now Gransnet.

Signed.

Oh dear! Mine came through straight away. Worth trying again later, perhaps?

Squirrel

Nothing in my e.mail box as yet!

I think that could be a reason why the signature number is low, people give up or can't sign?

I will however keep a look out. Thanks.

POGS once you've registered it sends you a link to your email - it may have gone to spam, so do check that folder - and once you have clicked on that it will let you sign. It's to stop people signing twice, I guess.

If you have grandchildren who are in Girl Guiding - or daughters who used to be, and know how much it can give to young girls, you may be interested in this thread too, from a concerned Guide Leader:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3185944-victoria-derbyshire-today-and-girlguides

I can't sign , why?

I enter my name, email, post code and it displays a full screen showing my details and a green square 'continue'.

Every time I hit the 'continue' box it keeps displaying my details and does not advance forward.

Anybody else having a problem? Am I doing something wrong?

NoSquirrels

This needs to be brought to the attention of the FA

funnily enough they are available to discuss

Should England go to the World Cup

or

What should happen to Jamie Carrigher

But what should we do with a girl with a penis ?

These threads need tweeting

My DH is involved in Women's sports.
I asked what would happen in men turned up and said they identified as women

It's already happening in sports.

Depressing, given that on one hand we laud films like Battle of the Sexes (Billie Jean King's story) but on the other in the arena of non-competitive sport, Swim England has issued guidance that:

^Some swimmers who were born female but now identify
differently may wear what is called a ‘binder’ – this is a
tight piece of material that is wrapped around the top half
of the body in order to compress breasts to conceal them
behind clothing. This is perfectly safe to swim in, and
should be encouraged.^

^Some swimmers may have a preference to wear less
clothing than usually expected. For example, some
swimmers may not want to wear anything on their top half,
so as to identify with their new gender, but if they have
not had top surgery this means that this person’s breasts
will be clearly visible. This needs to be talked about and an
amicable solution found. This may be appropriate to allow
during a trans specific session, but if a trans swimmer is
attending any other session in the timetable, then they
should be appropriately covered up – you wouldn’t allow a
woman to swim topless in a public session, and you need
to treat everyone the same.^

FtM trans are "encouraged" to cover up their breasts, and "not appropriately covered" if presenting as their new gender with no accommodation to how a "woman" might swim in a public session.

The double standards are rife. In professional sports it is a hot topic, and controversial.

I have signed previously! I'm glad to see this petition being more widely disseminated.

Feel strongly about this. Signed. Good luck.

Yes me too. Signed.

Signed.

Signed

My DH is involved in Women's sports.
I asked what would happen in men turned up and said they identified as women but kept their beard and penis

Then he signed

Erm, was it not Wales that did not do so well in the education statistics?

Just because someone says it does not make it true.

whilst I have tremendous sympathy for a minority of men who feel they are in the wrong body, they can look, act and feel like women but they are not. They still have male DNA. That’s irrefutable, isn’t it?

Unfortunately, Fairy, not any more. Nothing is irrefutable.

Plaid Cymru MP Leanne Wood (one of the last political parties NOT to put women's rights below trans rights, until today - Labour has already elected a trans Women's Officer and allowed transwomen onto all-women shortlists and awards) has released a statement to say:

I want to see an inclusive feminism [...] that understands that gender is a complex and deeply personal thing, and is about so much more than outdated ideas of biology

www.leannerhondda.wales/inclusive_feminism

Biology is outdated now...

Signed

Signed.

This is very worrying indeed and the new legislation is insane. God knows where it will lead to in future generations.

Being women is in our DNA and whilst I have tremendous sympathy for a minority of men who feel they are in the wrong body, they can look, act and feel like women but they are not. They still have male DNA. That’s irrefutable, isn’t it? They do not menstruate, give birth, breast feed or go through the menopause . With the advance of science I guess it will become commonplace. What a strange future our grandchildren face..

Thank you, M0nica

Mentioned over on MN was that it would only take each signatory to get one more person to sign and we would quickly have a grass-roots movement impossible to ignore. If you feel you can, tell a friend - there's a petition to ask for women's voices to be heard in a debate on how a woman is defined, are they interested in signing?

Signed

Thank you for signing, everyone.

I am willing this petition to come alive in the minds of the general public.

In particular what I would like to see is intergenerational take-up, someone that the generation younger than me will listen to and take notice of, and the generation older than me too (hint, Gransnet ).

5,000

If any of you are a member and would alert the WI and the TWG it would be brilliant.

Their stance at present is that trans women are welcome members as they are women (which I actually agree with and have no issues with - I think as a social organisation they should be inclusive and represent all women) but I am not sure if they have expressed an opinion on self ID.

The WI and TWG won't face some of the issues that are so crucial in this debate e.g. single sex-segregated accommodation like Girl Guiding, which has just released guidance to leaders that male-to-female trans children/teens should be allowed to sleep in single-sex accommodation with the biological girls, and their parents have no right to know about this in order to consent ... hormonal teenagers, who may or may not have a penis, in a single-sex sleeping environment. This will lead to discrimination against e.g. Muslim girls, who will no longer be allowed to attend.

(I am a bit jealous of the )