To expect that our new passports will be printed in the UK

What problems go with public sector workers?
Were you pleased to have the roads gritted?
Are you pleased to have your bins emptied?
Are you pleased to have schools for your children and grandchildren to go to?

I didn’t say I wanted them all renationalised either Dj as well you know .

I would like to see some kind of partnership. Not sure of the exact details but partly private, partly state. The problems with renationalisation (as I see it) is more public sector workers and all the problems that goes with that territory.

So you want them all renationalised, do you, gillybob, as that's the only way they can be stopped from being owned by foreigners.
I can't recall you saying that.

If the country is going to save money by having our passports made abroad, there will also be the extra costs of paying unemployment benefits to the Gateshead workers who may be made redundant by the loss of the contract.

Aaahemmm but when did I say I trusted “foreigners”
to run our railways, water, gas and electric dJ ?

I think we are being held to ransom (and it will get worse before it gets better) .

I also don’t trust that Gemalto can/will fulfill the contract so much cheaper than De La Rue in Gateshead. I understand bidding for contracts and there are always those who will do it for no profit (or even at a loss) just to secure the work. I also wouldn’t trust that they are being financially supported by the French and Dutch governments in order to secure the contract and provide extra jobs. Or half way through they announce that they need more money.

"At the balance sheet date, the Company’s ultimate parent undertaking and controlling party was
CK Hutchison Holdings
Limited (CKHH), a company listed
on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange."

Do you expect Northumbrian Water Ltd to be listed on the Hong Kong Stock exchange?

Lisalou said that the cost of procuring a new passport would skyrocket. I gave the costs that will happen after April from the passport office website.

The first sentence was about whether people really care about who owns what in the UK.
Most of our utilities and transport companies are owned by foreign companies, many of them being foreign governments. Not many people on here seem that bothered about that when it happened.
So why the fuss about a foreign company printing our passports for less than we could do them ourselves?
You don't trust foreigners - is that what you mean?
But you trust foreigners to run the railways, the water companies, the gas and electricity companies?
It doesn't make sense.

Please clarify your point DJ ?

I am ( like you) passionate ( it’s my word of the day) about Remain and more importantly the North East ! I really don’t trust the winning kidders !

When/if we leave Europe will we want everything made in this country ?

How many people who want our passports to be made here have complained about our rail, water and energy companies being owned by foreign governments instead of our own?

The cost of procuring a new one is going up in April.

Currently, a standard adult passport or renewal costs £72.50 regardless of how the application is made.

The fee will rise to £75.50 for online applications and £85 for postal applications, making HM Passport Office an added £50million in 2018-19.

Charges for children's passports will go up from £46 currently to £49 online and £58.50 in the post.

The £12.50 increase for the postal service represents a jump of 17 per cent for adults and 27 per cent for children.

Just watching the TV news tonight and can’t help but think that there is one giant (Peter) Rabbit away somewhere !

Of course the price will rocket Lisalou . They probably can’t fulfill the order for the price ( and they know that ) . The final price will probably come our way higher than the one quoted by De La Rue ( Gateshead ). But hey ho .

What worries me, is that I suspect that, regardless of where the passports are produced, the cost of procuring a new one, will skyrocket.

Looks as though I should have put this on the Politics Thread as it has become hijacked yet again by Brexit

Can you show us exactly where the thread has been “hijacked”?

You couldn’t make it up could you?

Obviously some people could! This is nothing to do with the EU and will almost certainly be exactly the same if/when we leave. The blind tender conditions are, as they always have been, designed under UK conditions not EU conditions. Other countries in the EU also include the jobs that will be made in the country when asking firms to tender - we never have; I wonder why? Could it be that money has always mattered more than people to our government(s) .

The company that is loosing the contract and is all over the media like a rash is international and supplies many other countries. Just what do the Little Englanders on MSM suggest would happen it we stopped other countries tendering. Yes, the passport might be made in England but the work coming from other countries would soon dry up. Madness!

But....are the savings on printing going to be passed onto the British public? Doubt it. Personally I don't actually care where the passports are printed so long as I get them when I need them. IF, has been said, the savings on going abroad are astronomical, then WHY are the costs for passports, (reportedly) being increased?

Conflicting reports say £50 million cheaper and £120 million cheaper. Seems a massive amount of money doesn't it?

I can imagine the French/Dutch going on strike (as they do) just when there's a rush on and we'll all be stranded.

My understanding is that the passports will be blank when they are made, sensitive/personal information will be added in Britain. As far as where they are made, I just don’t care. The French company are £50million cheaper, that money can be put to much better use than a passport contract.

It will be nice to have the old style ones back, even if they were bulkier.

You do know you are not getting the bulky hardback passports back? It will be like the current passport but blue instead of burgundy. The old-style ones cannot be used in the scanning machines used at borders

The British firm's bid was £120 million more than the French-Dutch firm's bid - I'm sure such a huge amount of savings could be used better elsewhere
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/22/contract-to-print-uk-passports-abroad-will-save-120m

Next time the contract comes up Britain will no longer be an EU member and will be free to pay as much as they like over the odds for a british firm to win.

I remember once being told that you couldn't send a passport by post between countries. Then they centralised the passport office and I had to send off to the UK - first send them my current one - leaving me without ID for a while - and then I got the new one back from London. The old one, cancelled, was also sent back in a separate delivery by expensive courier service. I am not happy about my passport being in another country than me.

But will the ones produced in France contain the personal data, or will that be added at the passport office as and when required?

It will be nice to have the old style ones back, even if they were bulkier.

Oh crumbs, I hadn't thought of this. My passport will have to be renewed soon, which means I'll have a red one for the next 10 years. I hope they'll let me back into the UK!

Looks as though I should have put this on the Politics Thread as it has become hijacked yet again by Brexit.

The point that I was, obviouslybadly, making, was that an item of our personal security was going to be made abroad, I would have made the same comment if they were to be produced in China.
What price cost when it risks 600 jobs in the UK?

It is NOT a done deal yet lemon as I stated above.

It is what Brexiters voted for - free trade