to ask why several prominent members seem to have vanished?!?

Well if you’d read my point above you might have noticed that the Tory government has already put us into massive debt since 2010. Do people really want more debt, low wages, zero hours contracts, gig economy, underfunded NHS. It’s Labour who spend wisely and maintain stability.

Your constant criticism of Diane Abbott, the first ever black woman in Parliament, who is very popular with her constituents, smacks of racism.

Time somebody started a new thread for this, or move it to the Corbyn thread.

Just hope it never happens! [cheers] to that thought.

What would have a chance of succeeding ( in the next GE)
Would be a moderate LP with someone other than Corbyn
mcDonnell ( Marxists both) and the hopeless Abbott at the helm.The thing is, that now seems an impossibility.
What we may get, is the three stooges in control ( or not in control) leading this country down the garden path into
Massive debt, while they put ideology before all else, and it takes years to then rise from the ashes.

"The costs of unemployment, homelessness, rising crime, struggling health service will hold our economy back."

These problems are not peculiar to the UK.
These problems exist world-wide in many affluent nations.
Left wing parties across the world have been unable to solve the problems yet all would profess to be compassionate.

Guess what - that compassion exists throughout the world too and most individuals are caring and decent people.

Many of them in the UK do not need to side with a Marxist dominated, far left party in order to highlight areas in which we as a civilised society could do better. We need a stable and financially aware government, spending taxpayers money wisely to be able to best help the less fortunate.

No one would look to the disastrous Venezuelan idea of socialism to solve our problems. Corbyn has the same dreams.

What has Diane Abbott got to do with costings for the NHS?
It’s a myth that Labour isn’t good at managing the economy, a myth that has been exposed as nonsense many times.

Government debt has increased by £555 billion since George Osborne took office in 2010, the latest official figures show (2016)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-uk-national-debt-has-risen-by-555-billion-since-2010-under-george-osborne-a6947661.html

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"You Day 6 may be able to ignore those people and pretend everything is bright and rosy."

You are doing it again - using the hardship of others to maintain that YOU care and I don't.

That is a big, fat clever trick. I am aware of the hardship many face but Labour cannot level the playing field.

Society exists in tiers of wealth and always has. The man who lives in a shop doorway, the man who lives in a hostel, the man who rents a damp flat thanks to his benefits, the man who rents a better but cramped flat thanks to his part time job, the man who rents a bigger flat because he has work, the man who rents a small house for his family....I could go on and on and on. Where do you fit on that scale?

a rich affluent nation should allow this to happen.

So, how do you rate Germany? Homelessness there. How do you rate the USA? Homelessness there too. How do you rate France? Go see the homeless in shop doorways. Go to any European capital and see exactly the same.

All these emotive buzz phrases are trotted out time and time again by the left yet they have not solved the problem.

The NHS is "crumbling" is another favourite yet many of us can testify to having excellent service and treatment.

Try instead - "The NHS is over used and struggling to meet demand" - that is the truth as recognised by the government we have. Everything needs money throwing at it. That is another truth and one which Corbyn and co will have to come to terms with should they gain office. However, budgeting (and costs) doesn't seem to be Diane Abbott's forte, does it? Heaven help us all if they ever get their hands on the purse strings.

The present government have

"survived" maybe but "prospered" never. With the highest rate of homelessness, more people using food banks, more people on zero hours contracts, the highest ever numbers recoursing to bancrupcy deals, an NHS permanently in crisis and schools asking parents to plug the funding gap very few have prospered and those who have done so have done it at the expense of the poorest. You Day 6 may be able to ignore those people and pretend everything is bright and rosy but some of us are disgusted that a rich affluent nation should allow this to happen.

So our generation benefitted from council housing programmes, full employment (or near as possible), free university places and education grants, the best health service in the world (generally acknowledged), the opportunity for most people to own their own home, child benefit for every child.
But now, while the UK is still the world’s fifth or sixth biggest economy, we can’t afford the same for our grandchildren!
These policies may appear costly but they are an investment in our country’s future. The costs of unemployment, homelessness, rising crime, struggling health service will hold our economy back.

And, sadly, since then the Labour Party has totally transformed, bringing in a Marxist leader who is surrounded by hard left MPs, as if this is the answer to it's demise!

And yet the country survived and prospered

Instead of the situation in 1945 when the world was so very different and less enlightened, say the same about the Labour Government of 1997 to 2010.

We survived and prospered only because that disastrous government was ousted.

And the country voted them out five years later

The principles of the Labour party are closer now to those of the 1945 government than they have ever been. Of course some people, having reaped the benefit of their policies themselves, now decry them as impossible and too expensive. The truth is of course exactly the same allegations were made about things in 1945. And yet the country survived and prospered. It is of course true that people move to the right as they age, but some of us continue to believe that those in need today should have the same support as we did.

"1944 education act implemented by a Labour Gov 1947- educated me-
Housed in council housing built by Labour council 1930s and 1950s
Cared for by NHS introduced 1948 by Labour Gov."

No one has rule out the influence the Labour party had 75 years ago. From those wonderful initiatives a truly caring party was born and one my family supported.

The Labour Party of today is a mockery, a distortion of those old ideals. It's a bit like comparing the closing of the coal mines almost 40 years ago and still blaming Thatcher for the world moving on. Those times have gone.

Labour as we knew it is redundant - so now far left activists jump on all manner of social ills, which have always existed, and claim to be the saviours of mankind. Labour knows how to spend taxpayers money and little about the economy and building a future for everyone - and that seems to be its modern legacy.

1944 Education Act.
NHS.
Free milk at school
Maternity grant of £25
Free pint of milk when expecting my third child (bit different to today!)
Free dental care when pregnant and with a child under one year old
Child benefit for all my children.

1944 education act implemented by a Labour Gov 1947- educated me-
Housed in council housing built by Labour council 1930s and 1950s
Cared for by NHS introduced 1948 by Labour Gov.

You must be very young Trisher , born in the ninties , the only socialist government in power long enough to have housed, educated and cared for you, no one can be educated in five years

Day 6 why shouldn't there be political debate on THIS site?
I don't expect people who want recipes to go to the hundreds of cooking and recipe sites available. They are entitled to ask on here if that's what they want.
There's nothing 'strategic' about the lack of Labour posters, we simply get tired of the same old name calling Corbyn's Marxist Party. And the same old "we do care but we don't want to spend any money"
And as someone who was educated, housed and cared for by a socialist government, they had a bloody good try at doing all the things you say they haven't.

Opinions Annie. You are entitled to your opinions.

I will not post a list again, you will find them on the Cobyn tbresd

I’m not sure the hypocrisy to which you’re probably referring is a fact Annie it’s just your opinion. You’re entitled to your opinion.

Just a shortened version of vox political , written by the holocaust denier and friend of Corbyn , Mike Sivier

Insults? Saying a hypocrite is a hypocrite is not an insult, it is - stating a fact

What is this Vox Pox you keep going on about Annie? Sounds like a communicable disease!