Windrush Generation

Just what will it take to convince you lemon? You certainly are an apologist for the government. For the record, I made no mention of racism

Leaping? haven’t done that for a while Maizie.

There had to be a reason for destroying the records, but perhaps you can come up with a better one.
I imagine it was thought that the old paper records were
Irrelevant in the 21st century. Also that people who came here as children in the 1950’s would not need them or would experience residency difficulties, which of course they should not have.

The only thing I can come up with is that it was thought to be irrelevant as it was so long ago?

Had you even read the who;le of this thread, lemon before leaping in with your Pollyanna opinions?

This was posted some time earlier today

The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.

If true, then that certainly was a strange thing to do ( destroying the records.)
The only thing I can come up with is that it was thought to be irrelevant as it was so long ago?

Apparently the Home Office decided to destroy all of the Windrush Generation immigration records in 2010.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer

Who said I had faith in government efficiency Gill ?
No government ever has full efficiency in all matters.
Carry on being ashamed if you like of your country, when what you actually must mean is in the unfairness of officialdom to recognise the Windrush immigrants right to be here.And I agree with you in that.
It’s incompetent, but not racist.

The Windrush immigrants issue, Grenfell and rehousing of the victims, police numbers being cut - linked to record violent deaths in London this year - all major problems for Theresa May with the local elections coming up in London in a couple of weeks.

Disgusting. As the case of the 85 year old grandmother who has a British pension after 40years of working here, now retired in Jamaica, but has been denied entry to the U.K. to see her great- grandchild - she only wants to come for a holiday to see family - she spent 40years here and now can’t get a visa without spending thousands on legal fees and jumping through insurmountable hoops.

Your faith in government and their efficiency and motive is touching lemongrove but I stick by my statement of being ashamed to be British over this debacle. Like it or not, this government is representative of the country and is acting on our instruction or behalf. Ultimately the responsibility lies with the departmental minister, and the opposition shadow minister who presumably was aware of this unfolding situation and, as far as I am aware, failed to raise concerns. Disgraceful

maryeliza

"Derail fail POGs - I’m afraid your whataboutery isn’t going to work with this issue."

No carry on discussing Grenfell.

You are correct I have moved my point about the debate into a more appropriate thread on Corbyn.

Part of the 2012 legislation also sought to levy a fine on businesses who employed illegals. So employees info was checked, and the doubtful ‘let go’. Hence unemployment, inability to claim benefits or NHS treatment for those of the Windrush generation caught up in this debacle.
It’s all grossly incompetent.
Who on earth has 4 pieces of info. per year x 40years.

TM was HS in 2010 when against advice all the landing cards records of the WG were destroyed. The HO was told that these were the only remaining records but went ahead anyway. Never mind, they are all saying sorry. Derail fail POGs - I’m afraid your whataboutery isn’t going to work with this issue.

Watching the anti semitism debate in Parliament I too am ashamed .

Put Grenfell in the mix and we’ve got a pretty accurate picture of our country at the moment- racist/incompetent - yes I’m ashamed too. Virtue signalling about humanitarian action in Syria and slamming the door to child Syrian refugees - yes TM I’m looking at you.

No matter how some of you try to do so on here, there is no excuse for this whole disgraceful fiasco and saying sorry or talking about unintended consequences is utter rubbish. It’s either deliberate racism or sheer incompetency and it’s the ministers who are responsible and accountable. Do we really expect so little from our government? AR is behaving as though she went out for a cup of tea and when she came back all this had blown up.

Well I m glad you ve never felt ashamed of your country Lemon I have and never more than at the moment with ALL the bad things going on

The HO has full access to NI and HMRC records for starters. Now why would they not start with accessing those records rather than asking for the people themselves to find 4 pieces of information? One might almost think that it could have been a deliberate plan to make it harder for them to stay. Why else do that?

It all came about after a 2012 piece of legislation. The people affected are not being sought but come to the attention of the HO when they need a passport ( or to renew one) or are checked out by employers, landlords etc, or need health care or apply for benefits. In 2012 the problem should have been identified so far as it would affect people like the Windrush generation who came here legally as British citizens. The Guardian has been publicising this issue since last year but no one in the HO was prepared to listen. The Press Office should be monitoring the press and picking up on issues like this. And why on earth did TM refuse initially to meet with the Commonwealth heads on this matter? How incredibly disrespectful was this? As for the government doing something about it - it’s only thanks to David Lammy that a deportation planned for tomorrow has been stopped.What is AR playing at? The first thing she should have done yesterday after ‘apologising’ is stop all deportations until she was heading a department that was fit for purpose because she isn’t and it isn’t.

I saw a report today - whether true or not I don’t know - that it was Govt officials who destroyed all the landing cards.

I’ve been wondering about NI numbers too, lemon, and other old work-related records.

The government's response has been absolutely disgusting and all roads seem to lead back to decisions taken by Theresa May.

It is over a month since May refused to intervene in the case of a Windrush immigrant suffering cancer, who has lived in the UK for 47 years, because he was unable to prove his right to NHS treatment.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/22/theresa-may-refuses-to-intervene-over-mans-54000-nhs-cancer-bill-albert-thompson

The civil service takes their instruction from their Minister - it is a lame excuse from May/Rudd that they did not know. That the Home office do not know how many they have deported under this misguided policy is shocking. The government are not really sorry - just sorry they have been caught.

This ‘ashamed to be British’ thing seems to be a recurring theme on GN.
I have never been ashamed to be British, ever, but of course
Feel angry when governments ( of all political parties) get it wrong.
If they had been insisting they were right, that would be a different matter, but they aren’t doing that.
It was never a secret I imagine, so ‘found out’ doesn’t really come into it.
It sounds more like an over complicated bit of bureaucracy
To establish if people were really who say say they are.
Yes, it’s a wrong policy, although as somebody says upthread
There should be enough tax returns, NI and GP records etc for authenticity to be proved easily.

They ve only apologised because they ve been caught out It wasn’t a mistake the government isn’t that stupid they thought it would just disappear with the people
I m totally disgusted and horrible ashamed of being British each day gets worse horrible horrible The ghurkas were treated with distained chucked away like scraps of paper and they would have done just the same now
I hope with all my heart that someone gets a good solicitor and they end up having to compensating these poor folk who have been put through hell
Absolute DISGRACE

Yes, a major mistake by somebody ( who’s bright idea was it to need four pieces of info for every year?)
Bureaucracy often goes pear shaped when ideas are put into practice, still, good that the government is now sorting it out pdq.

"I would suspect that the former colonial/commonwealth people who had been given Indefinite Leave to Remain in the 1970s either didn't even know about the legislation or thought it didn't apply to them."
I agree, and I imagine both Mrs May and the civil servants overlooked the problem.
I don't think it was deliberate, but I do think it was an oversight.

Legislation that is either rushed through in a hurry or is for purely ideological purposes so often has these unintended consequences