Men & Woman are not equal?

I do like your pictures Jalima, reminds me of how fit I once was, not that fit though?

Why? Because men and women are equal

Crikey!
I need to tone up my bingo wings arms

I want to know where all this ice and snow was - not here in the UK obviously!

It was obvious they were using manpower

Channel 5, 10.00pm last night
Title Trucking Hell

"Isn’t that what Gransnet is for , to discuss topics"

Isn't that what I did?

I didn't say your thread was inappropriate.

Jalima

Bridgeit, it is all an illusion. There is very little in the situation you describe that could not have been done by a woman with the same training and background as the men you saw.

My DH spent most of his life moving very large structures offshore. It looks very hairy and requiring big strong men, but it is actually done with powerful lifting equipment and this can be operated not only by big hairy men, but thin weak men and by women.

I have seen qualified female engineers planning the operation, operating equipment and managing the move of pieces of kit weighing thousands of tons. DH has also, on occasion worked alongside female engineers in challenging conditions offshore and on. In my turn I also worked with these same women engineers who went out to the middle east into some of the most conservative and remote communities assessing and prospecting for oil and gas.

The only reason the sight you saw was a male only event is because the number of women going into this aspect of engineering is limited.

Women can equal men's achievements in every field except physical strength, although comparing weight for weight there is little difference.
However most women are far to intelligent, when a man is available let him do the hard labour. I have never changed a car wheel, a man always comes along eventually and is pleased to help.

I think the point was that lifting equipment couldn't be used, therefore it was 'manpower' that was required.

Perhaps they couldn't find enough female Olympic weightlifters in time.

In my turn I also worked with these same women engineers who went out to the middle east into some of the most conservative and remote communities assessing and prospecting for oil and gas.
and supervising the building of pipelines

Manpower alone could not have done what these men are described as doing, the hook on the chain was attached to something with lifting capacity and manoeuvrability. Moving a heavy hook on a chain which is suspended from something is remarkably easy, especially when the machine it is suspended from can be lowered and heightened and extend the length of the arm it is attached to.

DH has worked offshore in similar conditions with women engineers and I have seen such women in tv programs, not particularly butch but well trained and competent.

It is just that such a job attracts men who think that because they have shaved their heads and are big that this is the kind of job they should do. A woman was probably operating the crane, having worked out that the extra training was worth it to be in the warm and dry in such circumstances

I remember, in Singapore in the mid sixties, watching a building of several stories going up. There were women making their way up what looked like rickety bamboo scaffolding and ladders with baskets of bricks balanced on a pole over their shoulders. Others were hauling up materials and vats of cement on ropes. They did not look particularly young either, just strong and resilient. There didn’t seem to be much concern for health and safety either.

We used to watch a series on chanel 5 called Ice road Truckers. It was about lorry drivers in Alaska. One of them was a woman, Lisa, I think. One of the few tv series we both enjoyed.
Bridgeit - there was a video not long ago on the much maligned Daily Mail Online of a group of about 15 people who together lifted the rear end of a dustbin lorry which had accidentally reversed over a man, trapping his legs.
I think most of them, if not all, were men.

ps Greyduster that brings back memories .
They woked on road repairs too.

There are very many men who do not have physical strength so.e wo.en do. .I don't think it is about men/ women just that traditionally men have gone into jobs like labouring which builds up physical strength. Look at women in rural areas of Africa.. their physical strength is well developed because of lifestyle.

Perhaps if a woman had been driving the truck it would not have left the road in the first place.

"keep your hair on ladies, I'm not dissing you " - that's enough to set my teeth on edge I'm afraid. I'm a woman, I love the men in my life, I love the differences in our approach to some things and the way we can work together to achieve all kinds of things. That includes lifting heavy objects and caring for babies and animals.
Honestly!

To place a male perspective on this thread, without a doubt the recovery of HGV vehicles that have rolled over can be one of the most hazardous operations any person can be involved in. In that, it is not the recovery of the actual vehicle that contains the dangers, but the removal of the freight from the vehicle before it can be lifted.

With tankers, pumps can usually be attached to mechanically extract or steam out the contents of the tank. However, with an articulated vehicle box trailer, it inevitably involves a significant amount of very hazardous heavy manual handling. By, example, if the vehicle has rolled off the road into a ditch, the trailer can roll beyond 90 degrees, and therefore those trying to extract the load will be working at exceptional angles with uneven footholds with the added risk of heavy pallets etc falling onto them. In almost all circumstances the entire load of the vehicle has to be removed before the vehicle recovery can begin.

In terms of labour to carry out such operations, then it is usually a male preserve of employees from the local council or the transport company involved. However, undoubtedly these days there are women who could carry out such work, but they do not seem to have in general progressed to this type of manual handling at this point in time. However, I believe that may be a somewhat dated resilient attitude as people for this type of emergency work usually are "thrown together" and the attitude may well be in these pressure situations "lets get any gang of blokes we can find out there". That perhaps is not the correct attitude in these days, but one that at times has in all probability prevailed.

In other non-manual handling employment, I find the difference between men and women is still very surprising at times in regards to their attitudes toward various types of jobs. I would emphasise the following is my experience in regards to our office work over more than 15 years but may not be prototypical of everyone's experience in an office environment.

In regard to the attention to detail, concentration required and ability in researching facts etc, then women by far make the best Legal secretaries in our business with all four of those positions now back in the hands of female employees. That stated, the positions of Assignment Controllers and handlers seem to be better placed in male employees. In that and by example, holding an interview with someone who has been injured in a workplace accident seems to go better with a male taking the interview than a female. It may well be that men are more sensitive in those situations, where a woman is more "full-on, especially where it may become clear an accident is due to the person being interviewed flaunting company safety procedures and practises and in that may well be dismissed by their employer to add to their troubles.

In the above, we have four assignment teams with one being led by a female controller and a female assignment handler in another. Along with that a Legal Secretary is normally attached to each assignment team who as stated are all female.

I believe that in terms of employment we are in a transition period were women are yet to gain full equality in many fields of employment. However, that situation is fast changing but as yet has some way to go.

Thanks for mansplaining all of that.

I lack the patience to respond to the simplistic over generalisations, based, it seems on one persons 15 years experience of working in an office.
Is my lack of patience gender based we wonder?

Agree that is is an excellent example of 'mansplaining' - a technique regularly used by grandad!
Before that term was used, the women in our family described the patronising man pointing out the obvious to a woman as a
"To let you understand, my dear"!

Ps a wise woman I worked with always questioned anyone boasting of x years of experience. "Is that x years of experience or one year repeated x times?"

I just wonder about the pay scales for the jobs described. Could it be that Legal Secretaries are on a lower pay scale and Assignment Controllers on a higher one? Meaning more men want more pay (surprise surprise). Of course I'm just a women so wouldn't understand the whole thing! As for the OP if the only people available for a rescue were an elderly sedentary man and a woman in her 30s who regularly went to the Gym I know which I would want to help

What a shame some of you didn’t bother to read OP properly Trisher

Your last post is meaningless, as the programme ( which I watched) was not a comparison between an elderly man & 3O yr old woman who goes to the gym.

However neither did I describe the situation as well as I could have, hence some comments I have read seem to be rather reactive & taken as a slight against woman, which is something I abhor ,however in some circumstances reality has to enter the equation, which is a point I was attempting to make. if anyone is unable to get that, perhaps they don’t have a strong & open enough outlook.